Will the Patrick Stewart and new shows hurt "Discovery?"

[Eckauskas]

I always get surprised when diversity bothers some Trek fans (of all people). Here is some other diversity related news to get on your nerves:
https://trekmovie.com/2018/07/09/ro...nt-be-directing-star-trek-discovery-season-2/

I’m 100% not opposed to there being a diverse cast on any iteration of Star Trek, it’s what Gene would have wanted. What I mean is I can’t get on board with Discovery because they’re sacrificing good writing to make sure everyone can see how 21st century they are by including a wider range of people in it.

If Picard had been gay, I wouldn’t have cared. I liked Lily in First Contact and Janeway was an outstanding character too. But the whole “LOOK, WE HAVE A GAY COUPLE ON DISCOVERY” just made me think ‘meh’.

For the record, the worst thing about DSC for me is, undoubtedly, Jason Isaacs. He’s not a Starfleet captain. Not even a bit.

 

[Vger23]

For the record, the worst thing about DSC for me is, undoubtedly, Jason Isaacs. He’s not a Starfleet captain. Not even a bit.

I hate to break it to you, but that's the entire point.

 

[Cyrus]

We know that Bryan Fuller initially proposed an anthology series to CBS, with each season being set in a different time period with different characters. Seems like we are going to get that via multiple series and miniseries.

 

[Four Lights]

Assuming Picard coming back isn't a total train wreck and they manage to maintain the essence of the character, I can't see this hurting Discovery at all. It'll remind a lot of people of just how good Star Trek was capable of being. That'll then make them more likely to dip into Discovery.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

Will it hurt it? I don't know. Will it shoot it? Well maybe...

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[ITDUDE]

For the record, the worst thing about DSC for me is, undoubtedly, Jason Isaacs. He’s not a Starfleet captain. Not even a bit.

I hate to break it to you, but that's the entire point.

I liked two things from STD season 1: Tilly and Lorca.
Jason Isaacs was amazing. Too bad they killed him but there is always hoping.. (see my sig) Mary Wiseman is great up-and-comer and good thing at least she is still around.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I’m 100% not opposed to there being a diverse cast on any iteration of Star Trek, it’s what Gene would have wanted. What I mean is I can’t get on board with Discovery because they’re sacrificing good writing to make sure everyone can see how 21st century they are by including a wider range of people in it.

If Picard had been gay, I wouldn’t have cared. I liked Lily in First Contact and Janeway was an outstanding character too. But the whole “LOOK, WE HAVE A GAY COUPLE ON DISCOVERY” just made me think ‘meh’.

For the record, the worst thing about DSC for me is, undoubtedly, Jason Isaacs. He’s not a Starfleet captain. Not even a bit.

How is it that the mere act of including characters who happen to be gay (and who also happen to be some of the best and least contrived characters on the show) always has to be interpreted as 'Oh, look at us for our progressive gayness1!1lol!'

Stamets and Culber are literally the exact opposite of having gay characters just to have gay characters.

 

[Greg Cox]

How is it that the mere act of including characters who happen to be gay (and who also happen to be some of the best and least contrived characters on the show) always has to be interpreted as 'Oh, look at us for our progressive gayness1!1lol!'

Stamets and Culber are literally the exact opposite of having gay characters just to have gay characters.

Amen. There seems to be a Catch-22 here when it comes to some viewer's attitudes toward gay characters.

If the character's sexual orientation drives a storyline, we hear that the show is ramming an agenda down our throats. But if a character just happens to be gay, then we hear them that being gay is somehow "forced" or "unnecessary" or a stunt.

You can't win with some people--who are apparently just fine with gay characters on TV as long as they're strictly hypothetical.

And yet nobody complains when straight characters just happen to be straight.

"Oh, Lord, do we have to see Riker chatting up some pretty guest-star again, while stringing Troi along at the same time? We get it! He's straight! You don't have to keep rubbing it in our faces just to make it clear that "LOOK! WE HAVE A VIRILE HETEROSEXUAL MALE ON OUR SHOW!"

 

[F. King Daniel]

If Picard had been gay, I wouldn’t have cared.

In 1987 that would have been a HUGE deal.

2017 gayness in Trek is at least 20 years too late to be any sort of big deal.

 

[Jayson1]

In 1987 that would have been a HUGE deal.

2017 gayness in Trek is at least 20 years too late to be any sort of big deal.

I agree. Only a big deal in their absence. Trek having gay characters in 2017 a less if a big deal than Trek in 2001-2004 not having any at all, even in guest stars or even a acknowledgment that gay people actually exist.

Jason

 

[Gavin70]

"Oh, Lord, do we have to see Riker chatting up some pretty guest-star again, while stringing Troi along at the same time? We get it! He's straight! You don't have to keep rubbing it in our faces just to make it clear that "LOOK! WE HAVE A VIRILE HETEROSEXUAL MALE ON OUR SHOW!"

Why do the writers have to keep forcing their heterosexual agenda on us?

 

[Gavin70]

In 1987 that would have been a HUGE deal.

2017 gayness in Trek is at least 20 years too late to be any sort of big deal.

TNG couldn't even hint at gayness. I forget the episode name, but the one where Riker falls in love with one of an androgynous species. Frakes wanted the character to be played by a male actor but was overruled so the androgynous species was all female and we basically had him falling in love with a woman - nothing unusual there.

 

[Eckauskas]

*sigh*

You're right. I just hate gay people and they shouldn't be on tv.

I (and I'm not alone in thinking this) thought Discovery was awful viewing. It felt nothing like a Star Trek series and the characters were completely unlikable. Not to mention the absolute holocaust that is the Klingons. This is all in my opinion of course. Burnham was just Tom Paris without parents when you think about it. And that ship design was just atrocious.

 

[Tenacity]

It'll remind a lot of people of just how good Star Trek was capable of being. That'll then make them more likely to dip into Discovery.

Yeah, but then they'll actually see Discovery.

Mary Wiseman is great up-and-comer and good thing at least she is still around.

(spoiler) TPTB kill her off in the season two opener.

If Picard had been gay, I wouldn’t have cared.

If TNG were to of had a gay character, i feel Picard would have been the perfect choice from among the main characters.

It felt nothing like a Star Trek series and the characters were completely unlikable

One of my main problems with DS9 was the majority of the characters, while interesting, weren't likeable or people I'd want to spend time with. Exception Jake.

DIS is the same way. With the exception of Tilly I wouldn't want to be around any of them, I can easily see myself showing Burnham and her self-important attitude to the door.

 

[CorporalClegg]

It felt nothing like a Star Trek series

What does a Star Trek series "feel" like?

asking4friend

 

[1001001]

https://www.change.org/p/cbs-get-cbs-to-kill-off-the-character-tilly-from-the-star-trek-discovery

5 people have signed so far!

 

[Greg Cox]

https://www.change.org/p/cbs-get-cbs-to-kill-off-the-character-tilly-from-the-star-trek-discovery

5 people have signed so far!

It's a landslide.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

*sigh*

You're right. I just hate gay people and they shouldn't be on tv.

I (and I'm not alone in thinking this) thought Discovery was awful viewing. It felt nothing like a Star Trek series and the characters were completely unlikable. Not to mention the absolute holocaust that is the Klingons. This is all in my opinion of course. Burnham was just Tom Paris without parents when you think about it. And that ship design was just atrocious.

I’m 100% not opposed to there being a diverse cast on any iteration of Star Trek, it’s what Gene would have wanted. What I mean is I can’t get on board with Discovery because they’re sacrificing good writing to make sure everyone can see how 21st century they are by including a wider range of people in it.

If Picard had been gay, I wouldn’t have cared. I liked Lily in First Contact and Janeway was an outstanding character too. But the whole “LOOK, WE HAVE A GAY COUPLE ON DISCOVERY” just made me think ‘meh’.

For the record, the worst thing about DSC for me is, undoubtedly, Jason Isaacs. He’s not a Starfleet captain. Not even a bit.

You're the one who made this about gay people for no logical reason whatsoever. In terms of writing quality and plot relevance, Stamets and Culber's relationship is no different from Burnham and Tyler's relationship or Lorca and Cornwell's relationship, but I don't see you complaining about the terrible writers of DIS and their 'Look we can have straight people hooking up on Discovery' factor.

If you have problems with the writing, that's fair enough. But the problems with the writing do not stem from having gay characters, nor are they in any way related or limited to those specific characters or their gayness.

 

[Tenacity]

It's a landslide.

Getting five trekkies to agree on something? A landslide indeed.

 

[Awesome Possum]

People can handle multiple Marvel movies and shows all set in the same universe without affecting the success of each other, they can handle a few Trek shows set at different points in the same universe.