Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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Yes, that one. The one that in it's last season had more viewers than Discovery in it's first. The one that was heavily referenced in a reboot Blockbuster franchise multiple times. Also, the one that probably everyone that watches Discovery has seen, at least partially. Srsly, I can't believe there is a single viewer of DIS that isn't at least superficially familiar with the previous Trek shows.
Let's be honest here: How many people were watching DS9 when Voyager started? That's why it was only a cameo. For the very core fanbase. The one that connects and dissects all those little things on the Internet. For everyone else? It would have simply been a seconds-long appereance by someone.
It has been referenced in Discovery as well, from what I hear.
This is going around in circles. BillJ -- and possibly some others -- don't want characters from other series appearing in Discovery. Then there might be those who are only looking out for TOS stuff and are watching for the wrong reasons. And finally, the rest of us just don't care. Period. The End.
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I don't mind characters from other shows appearing. What I do mind is what is clearly the lack of any vision beyond "what can we take from TOS and cram into our show". I would have preferred they built their show and made their show interesting on its own merits, not how often it can connect the dots to TOS.
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Yeah, I know... I've been singing the tune since Clinton was President.
It's a tune that's outlasted Hanson, NSYNC, and The Spice Girls.
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I would have liked it.
And to keep up with my pun duties, y’know, for the fans...
T’Pol would definitely have moved people’s, uh, needles. Even now.
It's been well established (in E2) that T'Pol could still be alive and kicking in Disco's time, so a cameo, would seem appropriate.
Why? Beyond fanwank, what purpose would it serve?
Michael could have been T'Pol's adopted daughter...
The same purpose the cameos in the first episodes of TNG, DS9, and VOY, a send off.
So, fanwank.
Stories that are built to be more than bad fan service.
was McCoy in TNG fanwank? Quark in Voyager? Picard in DS9? Zephram Cochrane in ENT?
I was suggesting the same thing for T'pol.
With her grasp of human emotion, T'Pol could have been the one who taught Sarek to appreciate human women (remember that he married at least two of them). T'Pol would be unusually emotional for a Vulcan because of her addiction to trellium D.
Everyone in 1990: "Sarek" was a powerful episode! Such strong performances from Patrick Stewart and Mark Leonard! It was so moving when Sarek shed a tear during the concert.
BillJ: Pffft. Fuckin' fanwank. Come up with something original!
BillJ: Pffft. Fuckin' fanwank. Come up with something original!
Hmm. You make an interesting case for some Biblical symbolism here, and I can't just dismiss it out of hand, since although I admit I hadn't considered it before, giving two main characters the names "Michael" and "Gabriel" seems unlikely to be just a coincidence.
However, IMHO such Biblical symbolism as there is to be found in the show is, frankly, superficial. Whatever the writers may have been trying to achieve, as @jaime put it, they fumbled it. It doesn't convey any meaningful message.
Even if it did assert that, what of it? That's nothing new or insightful; Trek has always taken it as a given that traditional religious lessons are wrong. I think it's safe to suppose that the population of people who regularly read or watch SF already contains a far higher proportion of atheists than the general population.
Hmm. I honestly don't see it, so I'm genuinely curious. How so? (To my eye, Michael's circumstances in S1 are so painfully contrived that they stand apart from anything an ordinary person could relate to.)
Very well-put. While a story's plot should certainly be in service of a thought-provoking theme, it can't really accomplish that unless the plot itself actually comes together in a sensible way. None of DSC's plots really managed that.
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