They may just have always had it. Some Vulcans too. It may be a trait no different to the epicanthic fold on earth.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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They may just have always had it. Some Vulcans too. It may be a trait no different to the epicanthic fold on earth.
It is attempting to tell a more sophisticated story. All the shows did. None of them started out trying to be "The Kardashians"
But the execution leaves something to be desired.
It always does. Nobody's perfect.
I think this is fair. I'd say the epitome of this is the Klingon redesign. It was an obvious attempt to ape Xenomorphs: the de facto pop culture stand-in for "alien" in an attempt to symbolize all that it was meant to.
But, from a strictly objectivity and practicality standpoint, the redesign just doesn't work.
We need the Snorks.
You know, I actually liked the Xindi for trying to be “more alien” what with the insectoids and the aquatics. But thats what I like about Daleks (if i can skip to another franchise briefly) as they look nothing like humans - and I think that’s unsettling.
The TOS era was full of gas cloud life forms - maybe DSC should do more of that.
Put it like this, if I were watching Nimoy Spock in an episode or film, would I ever wonder to myself, "oh, that's interesting Spock is reacting that way, considering he has an adopted human sister who started a war and then ended a war with the Klingons or whatever" - no, I wouldn't wonder that. Because the All Access adventures have nothing to do with the original cast productions, and continuity issues aside, Discovery's quality thus far hasn't earned it the right to be included in that canon.
"Prime" is going to be used as a marketing tool going forward, so it isn't a useful concept to me any longer.
There have now been three distinct TV/film Star Trek entities:
Roddenberry-Berman Trek
Bad Robot Trek
All Access Trek
Yes, these categories can be quibbled with or RBT subdivided, but that's how I see it in broad strokes. If you want to pretend Voq or the magical spores have anything to do with Roddenberry-Berman Trek, then have fun- that's an imaginary enterprise I don't see the point of.
But this could change if CBS (or Paramount) does a new project that merits inclusion in the universe of Roddenberry-Berman Trek.
"Prime" is going to be used as a marketing tool going forward, so it isn't a useful concept to me any longer.
There have now been three distinct TV/film Star Trek entities:
Roddenberry-Berman Trek
Bad Robot Trek
All Access Trek
Yes, these categories can be quibbled with or RBT subdivided, but that's how I see it in broad strokes. If you want to pretend Voq or the magical spores have anything to do with Roddenberry-Berman Trek, then have fun- that's an imaginary enterprise I don't see the point of.
But this could change if CBS (or Paramount) does a new project that merits inclusion in the universe of Roddenberry-Berman Trek.
I find "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" more sophisticated than anything Discovery has done so far.
Bullshit. You don't have to like it or agree with the artistic choice, but Disco clearly has a layer of thematic and substantive flair that exceeds the nuanced triumph of "Hur-da-dur! See? They're the same but different!"
It even presents the exact same dichotomy without needing to be so obvious and heavy-handed about it.
Isn’t that literally what Michael says about the Klingons in “will you take my hand”?
That they’d made the odyssey out of the darkness into the light?
And was “yes, that is starfleet” really that nuanced?
Don’t mean to sound snarky here btw
I will give DSC that it has filled itself with an Alice in Wonderland subtext. But it’s barely sub. Beyond that, which is only occasionally something tried in the Trek films ( Moby Dick, Heart of Darkness, L’Morte D’Arthure ... FC, Ins, Nem.) DSC is not more sophisticated, and for any given narrative theme present, it’s usually easy to identify a previous Trek doing a similar and usually better job. I am pro DSC, but let’s not get carried away.
It might be on its way there, though I think DS9 still has that territory pretty well covered.
I don't think that's clear at all. Care to elucidate what you're thinking of here? Seems to me that most of what DSC has attempted thematically (and in terms of dialogue, and plot beats...) is painfully on-the-nose.
A prehensile penis or I'm boycotting.
Well, we got some Klingon nudity already, so that could be the next step.
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