Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[Rahul]

Maybe some Romulans developed ridges over time because that part of their brains extended to deal with their intense emotions?

After all, Vulcans are usually super-emotional as soon as their logical suppressing parts of their brain shuts off. The Romulans OTOH aren't. Which means, they must have slightly different brain structures. Now if that was evolutionary, artificial, or a result of selective breeding (or coincidentally - by interbreeding of those more emotional guys going into space and being solely among themselves), I don't know.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

And the post literally two posts above yours.

Oops my bad

 

[fireproof78]

@fireproof78 I like you. And I really don't want to turn this thread into a politics discussion. But every time someone repeats that "The founders" and "tyranny of the majority" oxymoron, it painfully shows they either don't know what they are talking about, or are willfully repeating far rightwing lies.

Thank you for the thoughtful and well written reply. I appreciate your concerns and willingness to share your knowledge with me. Please know that I don't just parrot things. But, I also know this is outside the scope of this thread

I just wanted to say thanks

 

[johnnybear]

Classic Pinky and the Brain

Pinky and the Brain?
JB

 

[lawman]

never assume America was founded under the belive "rural" voters should be represented equally as "urban" voters - there simply wasn't such a divide at the time.

True, no question. In all fairness, though, it's equally true (as @fireproof78 observed) — and equally at odds with the facile right-wing rhetoric invented to rationalize the GW Bush victory — that a republic is not in conflict with democracy, it's a form of democracy.

 

[Jinn]

Pinky and the Brain?
JB

It's a cartoon from the late 90s about two mice who want to rule the world (it has a really catchy intro). They had an episode called "T.H.E.Y." where the main characters try to join a secret organisation called T.H.E.Y. (in which all important leaders from that time are members) in order to learn how to become a world leader. It turns out that T.H.E.I.R. secret vault which contains information on how to be a world leader is the most complete film collection of all time which they then proceed to watch.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Maybe some Romulans developed ridges over time because that part of their brains extended to deal with their intense emotions?

After all, Vulcans are usually super-emotional as soon as their logical suppressing parts of their brain shuts off. The Romulans OTOH aren't. Which means, they must have slightly different brain structures. Now if that was evolutionary, artificial, or a result of selective breeding (or coincidentally - by interbreeding of those more emotional guys going into space and being solely among themselves), I don't know.

There was the alliance with the Klingons at the time of TOS.
Maybe some Romulans interbreeded with Klingons and that's the reason for the ridges.

 

[XCV330]

Cranial ridge-work specialist Romulan plastic surgeons made a killing in the 24 century. It was going to be butt implants after that but then Romulus' star blew up and that was that.

 

[fireproof78]

True, no question. In all fairness, though, it's equally true (as @fireproof78 observed) — and equally at odds with the facile right-wing rhetoric invented to rationalize the GW Bush victory — that a republic is not in conflict with democracy, it's a form of democracy.

To be more fair, @Locutus of Bored made the better clarification.

The more you know...

 

[jaime]

It's a cartoon from the late 90s about two mice who want to rule the world (it has a really catchy intro). They had an episode called "T.H.E.Y." where the main characters try to join a secret organisation called T.H.E.Y. (in which all important leaders from that time are members) in order to learn how to become a world leader. It turns out that T.H.E.I.R. secret vault which contains information on how to be a world leader is the most complete film collection of all time which they then proceed to watch.

Span out of animaniacs. Brain was basically Orson Welles.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Brain was basically Orson Welles.

and, as stated in the theme song, insane. luckily Pinky was a genius

 

[jaime]

@fireproof78 I like you. And I really don't want to turn this thread into a politics discussion. But every time someone repeats that "The founders" and "tyranny of the majority" oxymoron, it painfully shows they either don't know what they are talking about, or are willfully repeating far rightwing lies. Which are btw not even that old, this is purely a lie invented to justify the election of Donald Trump (and Bush before) as the president, while in both cases more people directly voted for the competitor. That's why this has never, ever showed up in history, school or anything before, and comes purely from Fox news and radiohosts in the last few years.

The original intents of the founders was a representative Republic. Which has the main characteristics that, you know, it should be representitive of the people in it.

The only thing the Founders really "intentionally" wanted to avoid was the election of a populistic demagogue or monarch. That is what the electoral college with it's electors was put in place for.

But when the Republic was founded, all states had a somewhat equal distribution of population. There simply weren't any megastates with 80 mio. people in them in the first place. Urbanisation happened A LOT later. The electoral college simply was the best possible means to have the closest representation possible at the time.

The only (big!) part where the founders cheated, and actively didn't wanted perfectly equal representation, was the 3/5th compromise - where they counted the population of slaves as 3/5 of "regular" citizens for allocating vote shares, because the South had a much smaller white population as the North, but a large slave population. The number was selected arbitrary, to give both parts of the country a somewhat equal weight (the South wouldn't have accepted being able to be outvoted - especially on their slave thingy - but the North didn't want to allocate the vote shares of slaves which had no say in their representation to their slaveholders - thus giving them even more unwarranted representation). That shit is still in the constitution btw.

But never assume America was founded under the belive "rural" voters should be represented equally as "urban" voters - there simply wasn't such a divide at the time. The only thing they wanted - explicitly - is the closest possible represantitive system that is possible to implement at the time. Honestly, if they had the technological means to have a count of every single vote on federal level - they would have done it.

See, I had to come back and find the post, because until I did, I genuinely thought you guys were talking about the dominion. It was more fun when I thought that. XD

 

[johnnybear]

It's a cartoon from the late 90s about two mice who want to rule the world (it has a really catchy intro). They had an episode called "T.H.E.Y." where the main characters try to join a secret organisation called T.H.E.Y. (in which all important leaders from that time are members) in order to learn how to become a world leader. It turns out that T.H.E.I.R. secret vault which contains information on how to be a world leader is the most complete film collection of all time which they then proceed to watch.

I'll have to look it up, Jinn! And anything you post is worth reading!
JB

 

[Rahul]

There was the alliance with the Klingons at the time of TOS.
Maybe some Romulans interbreeded with Klingons and that's the reason for the ridges.

Cranial ridge-work specialist Romulan plastic surgeons made a killing in the 24 century. It was going to be butt implants after that but then Romulus' star blew up and that was that.

No.
The klingons reprogrammed the Augment virus to genetically alter their bodies and give them their head ridges back. During their shortlived alliances, the virus jumped species, and infected (in a much lesser form) the Romulans, spread through their systems, and deformed their foreheads. Because of that, the Romulans decided to seclude themselves again for 100 years (until the TNG era). Some Romulans undertook plastic surgery, but 100 years later, most have accepted their new look and continue to wear it because they don't know it the other way anymore, and it helps them to differentiate themselves from the Vulcans.

 

[XCV330]

No.
The klingons reprogrammed the Augment virus to genetically alter their bodies and give them their head ridges back. During their shortlived alliances, the virus jumped species, and infected (in a much lesser form) the Romulans, spread through their systems, and deformed their foreheads. Because of that, the Romulans decided to seclude themselves again for 100 years (until the TNG era). Some Romulans undertook plastic surgery, but 100 years later, most have accepted their new look and continue to wear it because they don't know it the other way anymore, and it helps them to differentiate themselves from the Vulcans.

It's space-herpes

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[cooleddie74]

There was the alliance with the Klingons at the time of TOS.
Maybe some Romulans interbreeded with Klingons and that's the reason for the ridges.

Or they could be descendants of Romulans who settled early colony worlds of the Star Empire. There are lots of different possibilities for origins of TNG-era Romulans.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

One of the reasons i think the Klingons have something to do with the romulan ridges is the fact that, despite having Vulcans aboard, Beverly needed Worf's blood to save the injured Romulan.

 

[fireproof78]

One of the reasons i think the Klingons have something to do with the romulan ridges is the fact that, despite having Vulcans aboard, Beverly needed Worf's blood to save the injured Romulan.

If I recall correctly, it was the ribosomes in the blood that were compatible.

 

[BillJ]

If I recall correctly, it was the ribosomes in the blood that were compatible.

Though they went out of their way to mention the Vulcans on board were incompatible.

CRUSHER: Too many bio-rejection factors. I've also ruled out the Vulcans we've tested.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I came up with a pretty convoluted theory when I was in high school. The ridges do come from interbreeding, perhaps from Klingons - or other species - but it goes way back to the Sundering times. Because the time between TOS and TNG is too short to account for the necessary evolutionary genetic drift. So when the would-be Romulans left Vulcan and started their nomadic exodus across the Beta Quad, they began interbreeding with other races - with Klinks being the most obvious. Of course, given Rommies obsession with purity, the offspring where shunned. This was later supported by Nemesis, with the Remans being the most impure banished to the moon.

The remainder basically became the lower class menial workers. But of course, there was still intermixing between the 'pure' and 'impure,' over the centuries (or even millennia) to the point where, by TOS time, the purists were just a small gene pool clinging to power. However, in the intervening years - during the time of described internal conflict - the 'impure' where just too many and took control of the Tal Shiar and usurped control of the Senate. But, by then, the sole ridge thing had become the dominant genetic trait.

Then with ST09 I just figured that the "pure" had been the subjugated race and the tattoos were like a brand representing their masters.