Spoilers Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom - Review and Discussion
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If you follow the canon stuff not seen in the movies he died shortly after The Lost World.
Also the movies kind of do tell you when he died. It was Hammond's dying wish for them to build and open a park. Construction took a few years and the park was open for 10 years in 2015. Just rewatch Jurassic World 1.
So either way the kid would have been cloned AFTER Hammond's death.
Hammond and Not!Hammond could have broken up because Not!Hammond expressed desire to clone his daughter when the techniques were advanced and stable enough to do so, without causing a failed child and also to find a surrogate mother. Hammond and Not!Hammond didn't split up professionally because Not!Hammond HAD cloned his daughter, but wanted to do it regardless of what anyone thinks.
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Oh of course. But this movie just mishandled the whole thing completely. Not!Hammound was the most useless character ever in the Jurassic franchise.
Yeah, they mishandled a lot in this movie, and I love James Cromwell but, yeah, he was underused here and Not!Hammond just wasn't an interesting enough character or given a whole lot to work with. This movie is lacking in so many areas, which -again- is really disappointing because I do really like Jurassic World and felt there's quite a bit they could have done.
Unfortunatly no one will learn a lesson since this movie is successful so there's no reason to do anything different for the next one.
Unfortunatly no one will learn a lesson since this movie is successful so there's no reason to do anything different for the next one.
Just saw this last night. Eh. I went in expexting nothing more than a fun movie with dinosaurs and some exciting action. That's what i got. But if you think about anything it doesn't make much sense. (I'm sure this was probably all said before sorry didn't read every post)
So chris pratt's character was inches from lava. His skin wasn't burned, his lungs weren't seared? He should have been dead.
When claire and that computer guy are being chased by the dino, a blob of lava falls on its head. For one that should jave killed it, it should have knocked it down since lava is heavy right? And i doubt that any animal would continue to persue aomething near the lava which wo uh ld be putting off that much heat. Animal instincts wouls be to avoid the fire.
When they fall on the water wasn't lava going in the water too? So shouldn't that water have been HOT? And also the thing in every movie where people can see perfectly underwater, they're eyes aren't burning from the salt water, and everyone can hold their breaths for minutes at a time.
I didn't really understand the motivation while Blue was on the ship. They know she was hurt and only left this one woman who the holding against her will to keep her alive. Why wouldn't they help? They NEEDED Blue to stay alive
So chris pratt's character was inches from lava. His skin wasn't burned, his lungs weren't seared? He should have been dead.
When claire and that computer guy are being chased by the dino, a blob of lava falls on its head. For one that should jave killed it, it should have knocked it down since lava is heavy right? And i doubt that any animal would continue to persue aomething near the lava which wo uh ld be putting off that much heat. Animal instincts wouls be to avoid the fire.
When they fall on the water wasn't lava going in the water too? So shouldn't that water have been HOT? And also the thing in every movie where people can see perfectly underwater, they're eyes aren't burning from the salt water, and everyone can hold their breaths for minutes at a time.
I didn't really understand the motivation while Blue was on the ship. They know she was hurt and only left this one woman who the holding against her will to keep her alive. Why wouldn't they help? They NEEDED Blue to stay alive
And this goes to the point we've been making. The movie wasn't good enough/entertaining enough for one to look past all of this stuff. There's plenty of goofy stuff in the original movie but it's good so fuck it!
Honestly I don't think there even is THAT much goofy stuff in the original. The only things that ever really stood out to me were the inclusion of Malcolm (which is weird, but believably weird for corporate politics), the evacuation of the entire park except for its very first visitors ever and a tiny skeleton crew (which is a fair cop) and the inconsistent presentation of the T-Rex (loud or quiet - which is basically the classic hollywood original sin of drama trumps logic; I'm not sure a movie exists that completely avoids that particular sin). For my part, the execution of the original is better, unquestionably, but the movie itself already contains far fewer dumb ideas than any of the sequels.
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Grade: B-
I see that issues I have with the film have fully been/are being discussed already.
*Rehash of JP2 "bring them home" just with some tweaks
*Low price point selling, terrorism on the cheap
*They can't go anywhere else, really?
*Why is the US Congress having hearings? Isn't this more a UN issue?
*Standard trophy hunter zealot w/gun trope(really just going into the Indoraptors cage?!)
*Claire being too eager to jump at a helping hand(time crunch excuse?)
*So we have pterodactyls in Vegas now? Didn't JPIII ending shots shows pterodactyls flying to mainland and credit sequence then shows them lading and that was never followed up on. Feels like a repeat of sorts.
What I did like
*The spectacle, solid Dino action which is what I went in for after all.
*Reveal of Hammond having an early partner with whom he parted ways.
*Granddaughter Maise is a clone. I'm guessing first successful one, failed attempts is what caused Hammond to split ways maybe? Could explain gap of time from when they parted ways to Maise's age.
*Avoided trope of killing off new cast members as dino fodder
*Malcolm and his briefings. Hard to go wrong having Jeff in there in even a minor cameo role
It is a film that defines summer popcorn flick. If you want meaning/substance then find "Won't you be my Neighbor" at a theater near you. JW:FK is fun if that is what you're looking for and on that, it delivers.
I see that issues I have with the film have fully been/are being discussed already.
*Rehash of JP2 "bring them home" just with some tweaks
*Low price point selling, terrorism on the cheap
*They can't go anywhere else, really?
*Why is the US Congress having hearings? Isn't this more a UN issue?
*Standard trophy hunter zealot w/gun trope(really just going into the Indoraptors cage?!)
*Claire being too eager to jump at a helping hand(time crunch excuse?)
*So we have pterodactyls in Vegas now? Didn't JPIII ending shots shows pterodactyls flying to mainland and credit sequence then shows them lading and that was never followed up on. Feels like a repeat of sorts.
What I did like
*The spectacle, solid Dino action which is what I went in for after all.
*Reveal of Hammond having an early partner with whom he parted ways.
*Granddaughter Maise is a clone. I'm guessing first successful one, failed attempts is what caused Hammond to split ways maybe? Could explain gap of time from when they parted ways to Maise's age.
*Avoided trope of killing off new cast members as dino fodder
*Malcolm and his briefings. Hard to go wrong having Jeff in there in even a minor cameo role
It is a film that defines summer popcorn flick. If you want meaning/substance then find "Won't you be my Neighbor" at a theater near you. JW:FK is fun if that is what you're looking for and on that, it delivers.
Eh, it only kind-of delivers the "fun."
Anyway, I have a question.
How did the Mosasaurus survive? Did JP/JW/Ingen abandon the "Lysine Contingency?" Or not use it at all?
In "Jurassic Park" we're told that one of the safety controls on the animals is that they're born to be Lysine deficient and unless provided this necessary acid by the park's provided food supply the animals would slip into a coma and die.
In "The Lost World" Hammond and Malcolm are surprised to find the animals on Site B to be flourishing and want to explore how given the Lysine Contingency. It's never fully explained in the movie, and it's been a while since I've read the book and don't recall if it was addressed there, but we do get a throw-away line in the movie from Sarah Harding that the herbivores are eating Lysine-rich plants to get the enzyme, and the carnivores eat the herbivores.
In the Telltale Jurassic Park game (which is a foggy "canon") it's shown that another scientist working on the island sabotaged the Lysine Contingency by removing that flaw from the genetic code, feeling the animals were being "tortured" enough between the imprisonment and the removal of the ability to reproduce.
So, in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom the guys go to the Mosasaurus lagoon to retrieve an I-Rex bone sample and discover the Mosasaurus is still alive. Where was *it* getting its Lysine from? Did it get enough feeding off the I-Rex and any other animals that happened to get too close to the lagoon's edge for it to feed? Lysine-rich plants in the Lagoon's basin? Or was the Lysine Contingency scrubbed since it clearly didn't work?
Anyway, I have a question.
How did the Mosasaurus survive? Did JP/JW/Ingen abandon the "Lysine Contingency?" Or not use it at all?
In "Jurassic Park" we're told that one of the safety controls on the animals is that they're born to be Lysine deficient and unless provided this necessary acid by the park's provided food supply the animals would slip into a coma and die.
In "The Lost World" Hammond and Malcolm are surprised to find the animals on Site B to be flourishing and want to explore how given the Lysine Contingency. It's never fully explained in the movie, and it's been a while since I've read the book and don't recall if it was addressed there, but we do get a throw-away line in the movie from Sarah Harding that the herbivores are eating Lysine-rich plants to get the enzyme, and the carnivores eat the herbivores.
In the Telltale Jurassic Park game (which is a foggy "canon") it's shown that another scientist working on the island sabotaged the Lysine Contingency by removing that flaw from the genetic code, feeling the animals were being "tortured" enough between the imprisonment and the removal of the ability to reproduce.
So, in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom the guys go to the Mosasaurus lagoon to retrieve an I-Rex bone sample and discover the Mosasaurus is still alive. Where was *it* getting its Lysine from? Did it get enough feeding off the I-Rex and any other animals that happened to get too close to the lagoon's edge for it to feed? Lysine-rich plants in the Lagoon's basin? Or was the Lysine Contingency scrubbed since it clearly didn't work?
I think they said they were eating plants that had lysine
http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Lysine_contingency
In reality, this would be either impossible or useless. None of the vertebrates (or other animal phyla) can produce lysine, making it an essential amino acid. All animals (including humans) can survive simply by having a lysine rich diet.
Because all known animals lack the ability to produce lysine, it's unlikely that dinosaurs had. But if they had a pathway for lysine synthesis it would have been like the pathway in plants. Essential enzymes involved in this biosynthesis pathway are:
Because all known animals lack the ability to produce lysine, it's unlikely that dinosaurs had. But if they had a pathway for lysine synthesis it would have been like the pathway in plants. Essential enzymes involved in this biosynthesis pathway are:
- Aspartokinase
- β-aspartate semialdehyde dehydrogenase
- Dihydrodipicolinate synthase
- Δ1-piperidine-2,6-dicarboxylate dehydrogenase
- N-succinyl-2-amino-6ketopimelate synthase
- Succinyl diaminopimelate aminotransferase
- Succinyl diaminopimelate desuccinylase
- Diaminopimelate epimerase
- Diaminopimelate decarboxylase.
Yeah, I don't think anyone here was going into this film expecting Shakespeare or to come away with a deeper understanding of our place in a cold and unforgiving universe. It's a dinosaur movie, not Nietzsche.
That being said, even just expecting a silly fun popcorn flick, it failed to deliver in my opinion. The first third of the film on Isla Nublar was at least fun and fast paced, if incredibly dumb, but they shot their wad too early, and the back 2/3rds of the film grind to a screeching halt and drag on way too long with way too little payoff, and an antagonist dinosaur that pales in comparison to what's come before, coupled with a weak human villain as well. So that kind of soured a decent enough beginning and robbed the film of all its momentum.
Not only that, but the nature preserve coda of The Lost World showed Pteranodons flying free on Isla Sorna, only to have JPIII make it look like that was the first time they'd ever been set loose from the aviary. Then it happened again in Jurassic World and again in Fallen Kingdom, each time acting as if it was a new and unprecedented event. Meanwhile, the world should be swarming with Pteranodons and other flying dinos from the four separate escapes, unless they were really good at hunting them down, which is hard to believe in this universe where most soldiers and mercs are incompetent at doing that, despite humans being by far the most effective killing machines on the planet in reality (sorry Raptors).
This is on top of the aforementioned Raptors which clearly got off the island and slaughtered the crew of the Venture in TLW, and were roaming the greater San Diego metropolitan area and partying with Ron Burgundy and Baxter.
So the genie should have already been let out of the proverbial island bottle a few times before this, albeit in manageable terms if acted upon quickly.
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To be fair, Roland, Ajay and Dieter were very effective at hunting down the dino specimens in The Lost World. It was only due to the hijinks of Nick Van Owen that the dinos were released and actions stemming from that and them pissing off the two T-Rexes and stirring up the raptors in need of a communications device that caused mass casualties for both groups.
In Fallen Kingdom, Master Hunter Buffalo Bill was also very effective in trapping the dinos with no human casualties (well, as far as the mercs go)
Roland's mercs were effective when they had vehicles, but turned into a bunch of bumbling idiots as soon as they started traveling on foot, despite all being heavily armed.
The same way Julianne Moore's character survives on the island by herself just fine, but as soon as Malcolm shows up she somehow thinks walking around wearing a jacket with baby T-rex blood all over it (and hanging it up in her tent) is a good idea, despite going into not one but two expository lectures about the Rex's amazing sense of smell and concern for its young.
And Buffalo Bill's mercs got outclassed by Blue briefly by acting rashly, and then by four stowaways since no one apparently checked on the extremely valuable and dangerous dinosaurs, even with their amazing overnight ocean voyage between Costa Rica and Northern California on Wonder Woman's superfast boat. Plus, they all got stupidly killed at the mansion, so that cancels out their earlier effectiveness.
Not to mention when Buffalo Bill himself goes all "It puts the lotion on its skin" with the Indoraptor to steal its frickin' tooth. Genius.
But even the Great White Hunter in the original totally forgets how the Raptors hunt by misdirection once they actually get loose, despite seeing them feed numerous times.
The same way Julianne Moore's character survives on the island by herself just fine, but as soon as Malcolm shows up she somehow thinks walking around wearing a jacket with baby T-rex blood all over it (and hanging it up in her tent) is a good idea, despite going into not one but two expository lectures about the Rex's amazing sense of smell and concern for its young.
And Buffalo Bill's mercs got outclassed by Blue briefly by acting rashly, and then by four stowaways since no one apparently checked on the extremely valuable and dangerous dinosaurs, even with their amazing overnight ocean voyage between Costa Rica and Northern California on Wonder Woman's superfast boat. Plus, they all got stupidly killed at the mansion, so that cancels out their earlier effectiveness.
Not to mention when Buffalo Bill himself goes all "It puts the lotion on its skin" with the Indoraptor to steal its frickin' tooth. Genius.
But even the Great White Hunter in the original totally forgets how the Raptors hunt by misdirection once they actually get loose, despite seeing them feed numerous times.
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I watched The Lost World last night. I think it's not as bad as the rap it gets. There's some "bad" in it, but there's some pretty good stuff in it, but as Lo says above there's plenty of cases where the characters make stupid decisions. Hell, as teenager when I saw this movie I noticed the idiocy of Julianne Moore wearing the blood-covered jacket (in the humid jungle) after surviving there for several days by herself and going into a rant about having a sterile presence.
I dunno, it's a fine movie. I think it should have ended when the T-Rex roars at the San Diego skyline, it would've left a hell of a sequel-bait ending and the rest of San Diego stuff is kind of silly. It's late enough that Hammond has to apologize for bringing the investors to the docks in the middle of the night, the kid and his parents are in bed and look well into a night's sleep, but the San Diego street sequence has open shops, including a Blockbuster (which closed at Midnight), and pretty decent foot and vehicle traffic. I think a third movie that dealt with the T-Rex, and Raptors, in San Diego could have possibly been interesting.
And our Great White Hunter and Vince Vaughn both just kind of disappear. Vaughn doesn't even really get a "goodbye" line or sequence like GWH does.
In JW:FK, the GWH's "need" to take the tooth of an animal he captures is... A "fine" aspect, I suppose, but why did he need to go IN to the I-Raptor's cage to get it? Why couldn't he do it through the bars like he did with all the others?
I dunno, it's a fine movie. I think it should have ended when the T-Rex roars at the San Diego skyline, it would've left a hell of a sequel-bait ending and the rest of San Diego stuff is kind of silly. It's late enough that Hammond has to apologize for bringing the investors to the docks in the middle of the night, the kid and his parents are in bed and look well into a night's sleep, but the San Diego street sequence has open shops, including a Blockbuster (which closed at Midnight), and pretty decent foot and vehicle traffic. I think a third movie that dealt with the T-Rex, and Raptors, in San Diego could have possibly been interesting.
And our Great White Hunter and Vince Vaughn both just kind of disappear. Vaughn doesn't even really get a "goodbye" line or sequence like GWH does.
In JW:FK, the GWH's "need" to take the tooth of an animal he captures is... A "fine" aspect, I suppose, but why did he need to go IN to the I-Raptor's cage to get it? Why couldn't he do it through the bars like he did with all the others?
I finally got around to seeing this last week and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's always great fun seeing dinosaurs on screen and I thought the direction was stunning with some amazing shots. I really enjoyed the section in the museum bit of the house because as as a kid I'd have dreams (or rather nightmares!) about being chased around the Natural History Museum in London by dinosaurs. Whilst I'm not the biggest fan of the whole 'hybrid' idea I loved the indoraptor and some of the sequences reminded me of Alien in a good way! I was however really disappointed by the lack of Jeff Goldblum in this as it was essentially just a short cameo.
I agree with the criticisms re the plot and to be honest my enjoyment purely stemmed from the effects and the direction (I imagine seeing it in IMAX helped). Just like JW was a reskinned JP with minor tweaks so Fallen Kingdom felt like a reskinned Lost World with some tweaks and I don't think either film has really gone to any major new places storytelling wise. In addition, the fact that (in my onion) no standout character like Ian Malcolm has emerged doesn't help things. It does look like the next film will be something new though based on the ending.
In sum, I'll always enjoy films in the JP universe because of the dinosaurs (even if they're not accurate!) as I've yet to see a blockbuster which realises them as well. However, I do think there are only so many places you can go with what's effectively a monster-movie franchise so it's not surprising nothing has managed to live up to the original. I also think the same can be said of the Alien series. So ultimately I had a lot of fun watching it but one can hardly call it a 'great' movie like the original.
I agree with the criticisms re the plot and to be honest my enjoyment purely stemmed from the effects and the direction (I imagine seeing it in IMAX helped). Just like JW was a reskinned JP with minor tweaks so Fallen Kingdom felt like a reskinned Lost World with some tweaks and I don't think either film has really gone to any major new places storytelling wise. In addition, the fact that (in my onion) no standout character like Ian Malcolm has emerged doesn't help things. It does look like the next film will be something new though based on the ending.
In sum, I'll always enjoy films in the JP universe because of the dinosaurs (even if they're not accurate!) as I've yet to see a blockbuster which realises them as well. However, I do think there are only so many places you can go with what's effectively a monster-movie franchise so it's not surprising nothing has managed to live up to the original. I also think the same can be said of the Alien series. So ultimately I had a lot of fun watching it but one can hardly call it a 'great' movie like the original.
I do agree this movie was shot very well.
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Yeah, for all The Lost World's many faults, I think it still retained the fun and the wonder of the original to a large enough extent to still be enjoyable, while this one did not, IMO.
I was kind of surprised Buffalo Bill even tried to get the Indoraptor's tooth, since it wasn't one of the dinos he or his team captured, so there was no sport in it or trophy to be earned. He essentially tried to give himself a participation trophy tooth. I don't know why that surprised me though, like I should expect honorable sport from a dude who collects teeth from his prey like a serial killer. If you can't trust an attempted murdering, tooth collecting, illegal mercenary dinosaur poacher working with rogue nation arms dealers and played by Buffalo Bill to be a good sport, who can you trust?
Yeah, for all The Lost World's many faults, I think it still retained the fun and the wonder of the original to a large enough extent to still be enjoyable, while this one did not, IMO.
I was kind of surprised Buffalo Bill even tried to get the Indoraptor's tooth, since it wasn't one of the dinos he or his team captured, so there was no sport in it or trophy to be earned. He essentially tried to give himself a participation trophy tooth. I don't know why that surprised me though, like I should expect honorable sport from a dude who collects teeth from his prey like a serial killer. If you can't trust an attempted murdering, tooth collecting, illegal mercenary dinosaur poacher working with rogue nation arms dealers and played by Buffalo Bill to be a good sport, who can you trust?