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Babylon 5

Yikes, sounds like I might be better off just rewatching my DVDs if they don't improve it by the time I decide to do my rewatch.
Actually, getting the Laserdiscs or VHS are probably your best option, quality wise, as those are both in 4:3 (and are analog) and are sourced from the original (although with the Laserdisc, Warner Brothers only released Season 1 & 5 in their entirety, and then Seasons 2 & 4 only got half season releases and then I think they never got any Season 3 episodes out, so you get Standard Definition Broadcast Quality video on about 3/4 of the series that way) NTSC/PAL Masters. Columbia House Released the complete series on VHS---I'm not sure if Warner Brothers released the entire series on VHS by themselves through the regular retail chain. But I've got the regular Warner VHS of Midnight On the Firing Line/Soul Hunter from Season 1 (it's recorded in the SP mode, so it's VHS's highest quality), and when I compare it to the DVD, the VHS is the clear winner in terms of quality. Plus in the shot from Soul Hunter where Sinclair turns the cannon on the Soul Hunter and stands up, on the VHS Sinclair does not get cut off at the bottom of the eyeballs!

But with the data-rate, the DVD's were mastered at a variable bit-rate of about 4.5-5.0 Mbps (variable creates smaller files as the data-rate is always chaning, for example with a title on a black screen the DVD might only use 500kbps and then jump up to 7.3Mbps for a high-action scene and then down to a 2.3Mbps for a talking head scene, the stated Mbps is the average)with peaks going up to about 9.0 Mbps. Plus the DVD's use MPEG-2 compression, whereas Amazon and iTunes are most likely using H.264/MP4 compression at a bit rate probably around the 1.5Mbps (I was just looking at some videos that I have on my PS3, such as Mythbusters, and SD versions of shows are listed at 1.5Mbps H.264/MP4, while the HD versions are at 6.0Mbps H.264/MP4). Now then here's another issue, if Warner Brothers has given Amazon and iTunes files derived from the DVD MPEG-2 files, then they've compressed them from an already heavily compressed format. The Original Master tapes are Digital Betacam for both the 4:3 and 16:9 versions; Digital Betacam has a constant (with a constant data-rate, the Mbps only fluctuates by +-1 Mbps, so anywhere from 89-91Mbps) data-rate of 90Mbps; even if they weren't and the Original Masters were on DVCPRO or another Digital Broadcast tape, we are talking of constant Mega-bits-per-second of 25Mbps or more. So if Warner made H.264/MP4 files from the MPEG-2 files, then the video has already lost a ton of quality. Basically its like in the past, instead of going from the original master (i.e. Betacam SP) to another high-quality videotape (i.e. U-Matic) for duplicating to VHS, the chain was Betacam SP to VHS SP to VHS SLP (like what you would see on those cheap Public Domain tapes).
 
How are "Babylon 5" disks released overseas compared to the ones released in America? Are they at least in better condition?

Jason
 
How are "Babylon 5" disks released overseas compared to the ones released in America? Are they at least in better condition?

Jason
You mean the PAL ones? From what I hear they’re worst because PAL in itself has a higher resolution than NTSC (720x576 vs 720x480).
 
How are "Babylon 5" disks released overseas compared to the ones released in America? Are they at least in better condition?
You mean the PAL ones? From what I hear they’re worst because PAL in itself has a higher resolution than NTSC (720x576 vs 720x480).

From the site below, it seems the region 1 and 2 DVDs were separately rendered. In theory, PAL should be slightly better resolution for purely live action shots. The composite and CGI scenes in PAL are likely converted from NTSC and so would be degraded in quality.

http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Babylon_5_DVD_Releases
The DVD releases were created by combining higher quality widescreen shots taken from original film elements (for purely live action material), with matted versions of the original broadcast and VHS release footage for any shot involving a digital effect (including fully CGI sequences, crossfades between scenes, and combinations of effects and live action material). For the latter, a 16:9 frame was achieved by cropping the top and bottom of the original 4:3 video frame and zooming the remaining imagery. Cropping and zooming these shots led to a noticeable drop in image quality in relation to purely live action material. This is evident in certain key scenes/shots...
 
Didn't they also use the PAL masters for the DVD release, converting them to NTSC for the R1 release.
I think that happened for Farscape. I don't know for B5. You might be correct but it's then a bit puzzling why so many of the region 2 PAL DVD releases were several months after the region 1 NTSC DVD releases.
 
Speaking about being shot in the back, the person who was supposed to shoot him in the back was the stations first XO Laurel Takashima and was the one with the implanted personality that was later give to Talia Winters.

There's also that bit in "The Gathering" where the Minbari assassin uses Takashima's access codes to break into Del Varner's quarters. Plus, Takashima presumably allowed the assassin to reach B5 in the first place, by conveniently ignoring the breaching pod that got him there (after having delayed Sinclair's transport long enough to place her in command of the station when the assassin arrived).
 
Actually, getting the Laserdiscs or VHS are probably your best option, quality wise, as those are both in 4:3 (and are analog) and are sourced from the original (although with the Laserdisc, Warner Brothers only released Season 1 & 5 in their entirety, and then Seasons 2 & 4 only got half season releases and then I think they never got any Season 3 episodes out, so you get Standard Definition Broadcast Quality video on about 3/4 of the series that way) NTSC/PAL Masters. Columbia House Released the complete series on VHS---I'm not sure if Warner Brothers released the entire series on VHS by themselves through the regular retail chain. But I've got the regular Warner VHS of Midnight On the Firing Line/Soul Hunter from Season 1 (it's recorded in the SP mode, so it's VHS's highest quality), and when I compare it to the DVD, the VHS is the clear winner in terms of quality. Plus in the shot from Soul Hunter where Sinclair turns the cannon on the Soul Hunter and stands up, on the VHS Sinclair does not get cut off at the bottom of the eyeballs!

But with the data-rate, the DVD's were mastered at a variable bit-rate of about 4.5-5.0 Mbps (variable creates smaller files as the data-rate is always chaning, for example with a title on a black screen the DVD might only use 500kbps and then jump up to 7.3Mbps for a high-action scene and then down to a 2.3Mbps for a talking head scene, the stated Mbps is the average)with peaks going up to about 9.0 Mbps. Plus the DVD's use MPEG-2 compression, whereas Amazon and iTunes are most likely using H.264/MP4 compression at a bit rate probably around the 1.5Mbps (I was just looking at some videos that I have on my PS3, such as Mythbusters, and SD versions of shows are listed at 1.5Mbps H.264/MP4, while the HD versions are at 6.0Mbps H.264/MP4). Now then here's another issue, if Warner Brothers has given Amazon and iTunes files derived from the DVD MPEG-2 files, then they've compressed them from an already heavily compressed format. The Original Master tapes are Digital Betacam for both the 4:3 and 16:9 versions; Digital Betacam has a constant (with a constant data-rate, the Mbps only fluctuates by +-1 Mbps, so anywhere from 89-91Mbps) data-rate of 90Mbps; even if they weren't and the Original Masters were on DVCPRO or another Digital Broadcast tape, we are talking of constant Mega-bits-per-second of 25Mbps or more. So if Warner made H.264/MP4 files from the MPEG-2 files, then the video has already lost a ton of quality. Basically its like in the past, instead of going from the original master (i.e. Betacam SP) to another high-quality videotape (i.e. U-Matic) for duplicating to VHS, the chain was Betacam SP to VHS SP to VHS SLP (like what you would see on those cheap Public Domain tapes).
I'm not a tech person, so most of this post might as well be in another language. When it comes to format, I already own the DVDs, and I don't usually rebuy stuff unless there are some really cool new special features I'm dying to see. I tend to try to get the best picture I can when I first buy or rent something, but I need something more than just picture quality to justify rebuying something I already own.
 
It's occurring to me now that Vir and Samwell Tarly are basically the same character.

I guess both shows needed an audience avatar character.

Both have also (At least so far) been good luck characters.
 
From the site below, it seems the region 1 and 2 DVDs were separately rendered. In theory, PAL should be slightly better resolution for purely live action shots. The composite and CGI scenes in PAL are likely converted from NTSC and so would be degraded in quality.

http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Babylon_5_DVD_Releases
The DVD's were created from the PAL Widescreen masters created in the 90's. And it was only the non-CGI stuff that was transferred from film to PAL (there were 2 PAL masters of the series created a 4x3 master and a 16x9 master, and on the 4x3 master the film was transferred to PAL as well)---all the film stuff meant for composite shots was sent to Foundation and the other editing houses in 720x486 4x3 on NTSC tape at 24fps. So there was no separate PAL versions of those scenes made. So on the PAL DVD or if you are watching a PAL VHS or 4x3 broadcast, the quality is going to take a hit, as all the SFX was done in NTSC, which is lower than PAL in resolution. And with Widescreen, because they are zooming into the pixels, you might as well say that they are jumping from 720x240 up to 720x576.

But from what I've heard, people have tested the PAL DVD's vs the NTSC DVD's on PAL TV's with multi-region DVD player's, they were finding that the NTSC DVD's were giving a better image than the PAL DVD's---the PAL DVD's were extremely grainy, even the non-CG sections. Also, the NTSC DVD's are Region Free, even though the box says that they are Region 1 (I just tested this, as I've got my laptop DVD drive set to Region 2 PAL, and it played these "Region 1" NTSC discs with no warning saying that it couldn't do that unless the drive was set for Region 1---usually I play Region 1 NTSC discs through VLC, but I didn't do that this time). Maybe the PAL DVD's, including the non-CG parts, all the elements were dropped to NTSC and then converted back to PAL to try to give a "better" looking image.
 
I think that happened for Farscape. I don't know for B5. You might be correct but it's then a bit puzzling why so many of the region 2 PAL DVD releases were several months after the region 1 NTSC DVD releases.

There could be any number of factors such as

More emphasis placed on the US market than the European market
How many discs could be printed at the time
etc.

It's not like today where they try and release films/TV shows at the same time to try and minimise pirating. Go back to 80's and we in the UK could wait years to see shows which came out in the US, moving into the 90's it started to become months and in the case of B5 the last few episodes of several season world premiered on UK TV, now we can be down to hours such as with DSC.
 
I'm not a tech person, so most of this post might as well be in another language. When it comes to format, I already own the DVDs, and I don't usually rebuy stuff unless there are some really cool new special features I'm dying to see. I tend to try to get the best picture I can when I first buy or rent something, but I need something more than just picture quality to justify rebuying something I already own.

The VHS don't offer any "new" special features. The only thing with VHS is its better picture quality when it comes to Babylon 5.
 
Come to think about it, Hurley is also in that category. And he made out as well as Vir. Though I guess if anyone can brutally kill off the audience avatar it's GRRM.

If you're ever in a science fiction story, follow the socially awkward happy go lucky fat guy. He's the best path to survival.
 
A favourite scene of mine from B5. Always sends me the chills when i see it.

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The DVD's were created from the PAL Widescreen masters created in the 90's. And it was only the non-CGI stuff that was transferred from film to PAL (there were 2 PAL masters of the series created a 4x3 master and a 16x9 master, and on the 4x3 master the film was transferred to PAL as well)---all the film stuff meant for composite shots was sent to Foundation and the other editing houses in 720x486 4x3 on NTSC tape at 24fps. So there was no separate PAL versions of those scenes made. So on the PAL DVD or if you are watching a PAL VHS or 4x3 broadcast, the quality is going to take a hit, as all the SFX was done in NTSC, which is lower than PAL in resolution. And with Widescreen, because they are zooming into the pixels, you might as well say that they are jumping from 720x240 up to 720x576.

But from what I've heard, people have tested the PAL DVD's vs the NTSC DVD's on PAL TV's with multi-region DVD player's, they were finding that the NTSC DVD's were giving a better image than the PAL DVD's---the PAL DVD's were extremely grainy, even the non-CG sections. Also, the NTSC DVD's are Region Free, even though the box says that they are Region 1 (I just tested this, as I've got my laptop DVD drive set to Region 2 PAL, and it played these "Region 1" NTSC discs with no warning saying that it couldn't do that unless the drive was set for Region 1---usually I play Region 1 NTSC discs through VLC, but I didn't do that this time). Maybe the PAL DVD's, including the non-CG parts, all the elements were dropped to NTSC and then converted back to PAL to try to give a "better" looking image.
I wish I'd kept my VHS tapes of B5 - but I foolishly assumed the image quality on the DVDs would be better so I gave the tapes away.

BTW, Warner Bros doesn't appear to region encode any DVD or Blu-ray it releases, unlike Sony.
 
A favourite scene of mine from B5. Always sends me the chills when i see it.

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It's amazing how prophetic B5 was, in several different ways.
 
I wish I'd kept my VHS tapes of B5 - but I foolishly assumed the image quality on the DVDs would be better so I gave the tapes away.

BTW, Warner Bros doesn't appear to region encode any DVD or Blu-ray it releases, unlike Sony.

Perhaps today they don't but in the past I believe WB did region code (at least some) DVD's.
 
Perhaps today they don't but in the past I believe WB did region code (at least some) DVD's.
The usual wisdom is that WB have never used region coding but that might be incorrect. No WB DVD or BD that I've imported has ever had region encoding but there might be exceptions. WB bought into the commercially unsuccessful HD-DVD format, which had no provision for region encoding. There is an argument that region coding goes against WTO competition rules but I don't know if there has ever been an official ruling on that.
 
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The usual wisdom is that WB have never used region coding but that might be incorrect. No WB DVD or BD that I've imported has ever had region encoding but there might be exception. WB bought into the commercially successful HD-DVD format, which had no provision for region encoding. There is an argument that region coding goes against WTO competition rules but I don't know if there has ever been an official ruling on that.

My West Wing DVD's which are a WB release which I imported from the States are region encoded.
 
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