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Spoilers Timeless Season 2 - SPOILERS

I was shocked they ended on a cliffhanger. I assumed that it was a given by everyone, even the people who make the show, that this would be the shows final season since it barely didn't canned after season 1. Not sure if I like ending it on a cliffhanger thought it would make for a fun story I think if they do come back. Makes me wonder if they are thinking about opening things up so they can travel to the future as well or maybe the mid 80's to near present as well to deal with even more modern history. Maybe a trip back to 9/11 or Obama becoming president or O,J SImpson etc type of stuff.


Jason
 
The only thing that makes this sloppily conceived mess of a show worth watching, other than the characters to an extent (mainly Rufus), is its focus on the overlooked (i.e. not rich white male) sides of American history. They should stick with that rather than just falling back into the usual time-travel cliches we've seen a million times before. Although maybe if they broadened it beyond US history, that could be good too. Americans are woefully uneducated about the majority of world history that wasn't about us.
 
Okay, I finally got to watch the whole two hours.

And I deem it quite good. There was certainly a lot to love. If not for that final moment, whether it turns out to be a cliffhanger or twist ending, my opinion might be slightly different. But there was a lot of great stuff here.

Everybody got their moment to shine. Wyatt dealing with his guilt over Jessica, honorably making no excuses; Lucy dealing with her mother's unrepentant death and pulling the trigger on Emma; Rufus damning the torpedoes and going after Jiya even though he knew he would almost certainly die; Connor musing over his changing priorities and fixing the ancient lifeboat, Flynn, exposing, for a moment, his feelings for Lucy; Jiya-- well, Jiya deserves her own paragraph, and not just because I have a crush on her; and Agent Christopher, who got to knit a scarf-- well, okay, she got to shine in a previous episode.

The first half was a fairly typical time adventure, back to the Civil War. For a while, I thought that Harriet Tubman would turn out to be a time traveler, since her speech patterns were so remarkably 21st century and her posturing so movie macho that it was almost tiresome. But then, interestingly, it turns out that she has visions just like Jiya and Hospital Bed Guy. How did she come upon that gift without a time machine? Perhaps she was taken on a time trip at some point earlier in her life. But this plants a seed for future revelations, should the show survive.

But then in the second hour, things really take off. Jessica shows her true colors, and kidnaps Jiya, hijacking the lifeboat at gunpoint. Hah! Only a fool would underestimate Jiya to such a degree. Even drugged, she manages to escape, killing her guard-- a traumatic experience for someone such as her who has no inclination to violence, but one she has no time to dwell on-- and singlehandedly rescues the lifeboat under fire. Wow. Sadly, the lifeboat is damaged and she cannot pilot it home, and she is trapped in the 1880s. "She's LOST IN TIME!" is such as classic Pulp line. :D But no problem. She hides the lifeboat and sends a message across the decades in Klingon and then settles down to live out her life in Chinatown as a card dealer, casually snapping wrists when someone misbehaves-- all in the hope of saving Rufus's life. Who's the star of this show?

But developments happen. The Time Team is not going to abandon Jiya, so back they go, encountering yet again the Evil Leapers-- but Emma's had enough of being second fiddle and kills Lucy's Mom and Granpa Rittenhouse, who was pretty much a pathetic loser and not much of a Big Bad anyway. And, against all odds, Jiya saves Rufus-- only to see him shot dead by Emma, as foreshadowed by that Salem Witch Trial episode.

So when the dust settles, Jessica has escaped, apparently pregnant for real, Emma, wounded but alive, also escapes, now apparently in control of whatever is left of Rittenhouse, although she'll probably rename it to whatever her own last name is, Wyatt is humbled greatly but still in love with Lucy, Jiya is righteously angry with everyone. And everyone, especially Connor, is heartbroken-- because Rufus is stone cold dead.

And then, in the final seconds, everything changes-- we get a second lifeboat! Is it the 130-year-old one refurbished, or a new one? Dunno. But, as also foreshadowed, there's a way for people to exist more than once in the same time period, because from out of the second lifeboat emerge future versions of Wyatt and Lucy-- on a mission to recruit their past selves to save Rufus.

I'm not optimistic that the show will be renewed, but at least that climactic scene leaves us on a hopeful note.
 
Fortunately, Future Lucy was able to prevent Rittenhouse from interfering with the Royal Wedding:

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Abigail Spencer co-starred with Meghan Markle in Suits and they're friends, hence the invite.
 
Fortunately, Future Lucy was able to prevent Rittenhouse from interfering with the Royal Wedding:

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Abigail Spencer co-starred with Meghan Markle in Suits and they're friends, hence the invite.

Yeah, I saw a photo of her in some UK newspaper. I forgot that she was on "SUITS" for a while.
 
Fortunately, Future Lucy was able to prevent Rittenhouse from interfering with the Royal Wedding:

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Abigail Spencer co-starred with Meghan Markle in Suits and they're friends, hence the invite.
I could not help but smile when I noticed her during the ceremony. The writers of the show should find someway of incorporating this into a future series.

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Alas, the commentators on BBC America, while oohing and aahing over the various celebrities, didn't seem to know who she was or think she was worth singling out by name. "Ooh, George Clooney! Ooh, Carey Mulligan! Ooh, David Beckham! And, um, some actresses from SUITS. . .. ."

Still, she looked like she had a great seat, right behind the bride's mother!

Spotted Gina Torres as well. Time for a TIMELESS/FIREFLY crossover? :)
 
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A bit of a shame because it was my guilty pleasure type of show. It would be nice if they could close it with a two hour movie. But I won't lose much sleep over it.
 
I would've been surprised if it hadn't been cancelled. It barely managed to get a second season, they had to slash the budget to make it financially viable, and I gather its ratings didn't improve.
 
If they were going to renew it we would have heard sooner.

I have friends who really love the show. I respect it exposing lesser know parts of American history. Particularly contributions of those whom were not white males. But this show never really worked for me. The lead characters suffered the problem many current tv series do. They were only reacting to whatever the problems the big bad, Rhittenhouse, would cause. No sense of being proactive in their use of time travel.
 
I have friends who really love the show. I respect it exposing lesser know parts of American history. Particularly contributions of those whom were not white males. But this show never really worked for me. The lead characters suffered the problem many current tv series do. They were only reacting to whatever the problems the big bad, Rhittenhouse, would cause. No sense of being proactive in their use of time travel.

I agree about its approach to history being the best part, but the lead characters were the other part I did find effective. It was the writing in general that didn't work for me -- the absurd and sloppily developed time-travel rules, the overdependence on vast-conspiracy cliches, the logic holes in the season 2 "sleeper agent" premise, and the failure of the season 2 archvillain to be remotely interesting.
 
This might be worth its own thread - is it a smart descion to end a season on a cliffhanger as a tactic to try and force renewal? Season ending cliffhangers are very much the norm these days. But obviously by the time this cliffhanger was written and filmed the producers of Timeless knew the chance of renewal by NBC was very small. So is NBC really to blame is it’s not ever resolved or the show itself?
 
Not surprised at all. I liked the show but never fell in love with it. It did some good things. I liked the historical aspects and it handled diversity and representation better than a lot of properties do, avoiding tokenism very well. It was fun and made me fondly recall things like Highlander. But in other ways it was very sloppy, and Rittenhouse was ridiculous. The only characters I really liked were Rufus and Jiya. Near the end, I liked Flynn more than Wyatt. And aside from the one episode that took place in 1981, I would totally forget about Agent Christopher.

It felt to me like a show that needed to be on cable. It felt shackled by a network TV budget, and 42 minutes.

With that said, it always sucks when something ends on a cliffhanger, but audiences have gotten too used to thinking that just because it seems like something is a "hit" on social media, it doesn't mean that something is popular. The internet makes things seem louder than they really are, because it's an echo-chamber a lot of the time. Very few people (in TV terms) actually watched "Timeless", no matter what it seemed like on Twitter. NBC was generous to even give it a 2nd season.
 
This might be worth its own thread - is it a smart descion to end a season on a cliffhanger as a tactic to try and force renewal? Season ending cliffhangers are very much the norm these days. But obviously by the time this cliffhanger was written and filmed the producers of Timeless knew the chance of renewal by NBC was very small. So is NBC really to blame is it’s not ever resolved or the show itself?

I'm not really fond of cliffhanger finales either way. I think that if a story is told in segments that are separated by a significant length of time, then each distinct segment should have a reasonable degree of closure. Although that can mean wrapping up the current installment's threads and just introducing a hook for the next installment, which is a fairly common practice, and one I've used myself in my Star Trek: Enterprise -- Rise of the Federation novel series. Really, that's what Timeless did here -- Rufus's ending might not have been happy, but it was a resolution to the season-long arc of Jiya's visions, at least. And they did bring pretty definite closure to Lucy's mom and her blandly evil ancestor. It set things up for a continuation, but it did pretty much resolve the arcs from the season. So in its own way, it had closure.

As for "blaming" a network for cancellation, I think that's rarely fair. People tend to assume that cancellations have some sort of ill intent behind them, but it's usually just a matter of numbers, whether the profits are sufficient to offset the costs. A network can't buy a show it can't afford to pay for any more than you or I can buy a car we can't afford. And a show needs good enough ratings to be profitable, which means that people need to watch it. The real "blame," if any, for a show's failure comes down to the audience for not watching it, although that can sometimes be due to a network failing to promote or schedule the show properly. And often it just comes down to the show's makers just not making it engaging enough to hold an audience. I'm not sure if that's the case here. I was always lukewarm about it, but it does seem to have some pretty devoted fans.

In this case, I don't think NBC deserves any "blame." They clearly gave the show every chance they could, even reversing their initial cancellation decision after sleeping on it. They believed in it and supported it, but no show is guaranteed success, even with full support from the network. Ultimately, enough people have to watch it, and that just didn't happen.
 
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