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Disney Scraps Plans For Further Star Wars Storys

Exactly. What happened, though, is that people conflated "important to Rey" with "important to the larger SW mythic tapestry"... despite the fact that the filmmakers, JJ included, made it a point to blatantly state - or otherwise indicate - the contrary.
Ray is our main character. Our lead. We follow her in the story. If she is on a quest we are, by default, on it too. I agree that a lot of people assumed she would be a Kenobi or a Skywalker or a Windu or something but even taking those aside it is not a satisfying conclusion to that plot thread. It's introduced and then next movie we're told to drop it. Maybe she never finds out who they were. Maybe when they found out she had force powers they got rid of her because they feared it would make them a target for the growing F.O. Heck even the answer we go wouldn't be bad if it wasn't just a line of dialogue tossed out in that tone of "let the past die". As I've said before you can subvert tropes and expectations when you are a good writer that can do that well. Until then leave the training wheels on or you are going to fall and while some people will disagree with me I think just like George Rian/writer should have left the training wheels on.
 
Filmmakers have ZERO obligation to provide answers to questions that they themselves never asked... and especially not when they made it a point to repeatedly make it clear that people should not be expecting said questions to be answered.

Nor are they obligated to answer questions that they did ask in a manner that lines up with how fans might answer said questions.

When it comes right down to it, commercial filmmakers are only obligated to make movies that will bring in lots of money to the production company and various stakeholders.

Kor
 
^ None of Discovery's "twists" were actually meant to be "shocking" to the audience.
Agree to disagree on this one. They made up a whole new actor to hide the fact that the albino Klingon was now Ash Tyler regular human being. It's arguable that this was one of the reasons behind the Klingon makeup reboot as is you used the old style we would have recognised him fairly easily.
 
Himself.

He refused to leave with Ezra to help the Rebellion because he had to protect Luke.

The Rebellion would have been a career. A 'minor' adventure is not. Nor is what I talked about originally: a younger, recognizable Obi-Wan deliberately leaving a false trail through another sector of the galaxy to help make sure he could actually lose himself on Tatooine later on.
 
Agree to disagree on this one. They made up a whole new actor to hide the fact that the albino Klingon was now Ash Tyler regular human being. It's arguable that this was one of the reasons behind the Klingon makeup reboot as is you used the old style we would have recognised him fairly easily.

They didn't do a great job keeping that a secret.
 
Ray is our main character. Our lead. We follow her in the story. If she is on a quest we are, by default, on it too. I agree that a lot of people assumed she would be a Kenobi or a Skywalker or a Windu or something but even taking those aside it is not a satisfying conclusion to that plot thread. It's introduced and then next movie we're told to drop it.

Nope.

The Last Jedi answers the"who are Rey's parents" question; some people just didn't like the answer, even though the filmmakers had spent almost the entire interval of time between the release of TFA and TLJ making it clear that said answer was not going to be the one that fans wanted or were expecting.
 
Nope.

The Last Jedi answers the"who are Rey's parents" question; some people just didn't like the answer, even though the filmmakers had spent almost the entire interval of time between the release of TFA and TLJ making it clear that said answer was not going to be the one that fans wanted or were expecting.
Wasn't that RJ's answer though? Isn't it on record now that JJ had a different answer which me might not have liked but would have felt more like a end to the quest line. It's a subversion of a standard plot and as I've said this can be done well but I don't feel it was here. A throwaway line with no set up in the middle of her fight against Ben. Why not lay the ground work for this while she is training. Why not have her discover this in a scene rather than just being told? Again I can understand why some people like that subversion but you must be able to understand why others wouldn't.
 
Nope.

The Last Jedi answers the"who are Rey's parents" question; some people just didn't like the answer, even though the filmmakers had spent almost the entire interval of time between the release of TFA and TLJ making it clear that said answer was not going to be the one that fans wanted or were expecting.

Have to agree with this. Even in TFA, you get that snippet of the junk dealer holding on to Rey as her parents jet away in a hopper. If you were going to place your toddler daughter into hiding for any reason, would you leave her with that guy on Jakku? I think not. According to Maz, even Rey understood in her inner heart that she'd simply been abandoned. It just stings having a villain like Ren lay it out for you.

Like the kid on Canto, Rey is just strongly Force-sensitive- nothing more or less. A potential Jedi, just like the countless untold numbers like the blind dude from Rogue One or those who actually were trained during the days of the Old Republic.

It also adds to her as a character, I think, because it means that whatever greatness she achieves, she does so all on her own merit, having come from nowhere and nothing.
 
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Except the film was a year ago and RT has become synonymous with clicking campaigns, the only real way the site can be relied on is how a film scores immediately post release, before these campaigns gather steam. It peaked at 91% and remained in the 80+ bracket for several weeks. I'm sure someone of your intellect will have no problem with why one is a far more reliably objective figure than the other.

Likewise cinema score gave the film an "A" rating, whilst every other audience survey gave exceptionally high scores.



Agreed, this is all opinion, but can you seriously say none of those criticisms couldn't equally be levelled at any other aspect of the films? Obi Wan and Anakin chasing the assassin? Yoda fighting Dooku? The droids in the scrap works on Bespin sequence? Pretty much any part of ROTJ?



How long are these characters supposed to keep defining the universe they inhabit? Making a movie for the fans doesn't mean writing an indulgent fan fic, there still has to be a sense of progression, of narrative. Danger and the passage of time still have to mean something real.



How is that out of character? Frankly Luke was never all that well developed to begin with (Rey's actually had far more character development in two films than he ever had in the five we've seen him in) but we are taking a couple of decisions made in one set of circumstances as an idealistic youngster and assuming they've set a template for exactly how that character would act ad infinitum. That isn't how real people act, it isn't how good characterisation works. They've shown him to be human like the rest of us, a human who finds redemption in his final act.....



....here. How can this not be better?

Seriously? I'm going to assume you were smoking something at this point that your doctor would recommend against. :angel:

The scene subverted expectations along with Snoke's death. That's good filmmaking, leading you down a path only to siurprise you and the fact it used the franchise's own tropes to do so is all the more impressive.



Because they didn't know they could? Because he was the chosen one and could surpass their achievements, much as he did in the OT, defeating Vader after a few days training?

Because despite all the criticism about Rey being a "Mary Sue" (she isn't, not by a mile), the character who really shines here and is really given the chance to show what a force prodigy can do is Luke.

Rey fights some half assed Vader wannabe to a standstill and lifts some rocks, Luke projects his essence across the galaxy and humiliates an entire army including the Sith Lord (sorta) leading them in the greatest display of force power ever shown on screen, but she's the over powered one.

You can't see where the accusations of sexism in that one come from?

Are you sure you're not Scott Mendelson? You're defense of the movies is admirable, and political views well received. but if all was well and hunky dorey, then why is Lucas Film reorganizing?? Also. The click campaign you mentioned on RT scores has been debunked as "Fake News" I'm sure someone with you're intellect is familiar with that term.
 
Isn't it on record now that JJ had a different answer which me might not have liked but would have felt more like a end to the quest line.

No.

Abrams was one of the filmmakers who tried to make it clear that the answer to the "who are Rey's parents" question was not going to be what fans wanted or were expecting.

He also privately told Rian that they (both he and Rian) had both independently reached the same conclusion as to the identity of Rey's parents.
 
No.

Abrams was one of the filmmakers who tried to make it clear that the answer to the "who are Rey's parents" question was not going to be what fans wanted or were expecting.

He also privately told Rian that they (both he and Rian) had both independently reached the same conclusion as to the identity of Rey's parents.
I could be wrong but that's not the way Simon Pegg tells it. Granted I'm not saying I know Simon Pegg and his own words could be twisted on the subject but he seems to be saying that Rians answer has hindered what JJ had planned. This is the guy who played said junker and rumour has helped a little on the script.
 
I could be wrong but that's not the way Simon Pegg tells it. Granted I'm not saying I know Simon Pegg and his own words could be twisted on the subject but he seems to be saying that Rians answer has hindered what JJ had planned. This is the guy who played said junker and rumour has helped a little on the script.

Simon Pegg doesn't know squat... and what he says has been refuted by both Abrams and Johnson.
 
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