Disney Scraps Plans For Further Star Wars Storys
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It could be just that they've decided to take their time and make sure projects are fully ready before announcing release dates rather than having a set "one movie a year" timeline that they then have to rush films to fit. Given the filming issues they had with Solo that would have been a prime candidate for them to have pushed back the release date.
The Last Jedi just in title screamed Luke. It didn't have to be all about him but he was exactly where Rey was heading to at the end of Force. It wasn't an expectation he was going to overshadow the new guard. However, I did expect him to better than a grumpy old loser. The very first Star Wars began with Luke and his ending was crap.
No it wasn't.
Really Luke's ending is his most heroic act in the entire series. He showed that even if you failed horribly and lost everything you believed and hoped for, you can still come back and inspire others. I really don't understand why people don't find him heroic. By confronting Kylo one last time, he saved the Rebellion, inspired the entire galaxy to stand up to the First Order and others who oppress them and put doubts in the mind of Kylo Ren and more importantly doubts about Kylo Ren in the minds of the First Order. Plus he did this without physically leaving the planet. It's the most impressive display of the Force we've ever seen and fits in more with how Yoda and the Jedi describe how the Force should be used, but they don't. The Force isn't about lightsaber fights and fighting people. It's about understanding it, the only fights should be in self defense only. Luke did all that without even touching anyone or actually igniting a lightsaber.In some ways, Luke's final moments kinda reminded me of ROBIN AND MARIAN, which is this cool, bittersweet movie about the last days of Robin Hood.
That's a compliment, btw.
There's really no way to simplify the disappointment a lot of fans had in The Last Jedi to just one thing (in this case, the treatment of Luke's character). There's a whole host of things. Some of them were problems setup in The Force Awakens that had to eventually be dealt with and some of them were Rian's attempt to subvert the previous film and audience expectations.
I thought it was. A lot of fans were very disappointed by how Luke was written, he was thrown under the bus to make way for the new generation. I get that, but it was crap.
Great. I thought it was an amazing ending to a classic character. We agree to disagree.
I disagree that it was the only reason.
I think thats one of the big divisions about TLJ. People either hated the way Luke's character ended or they loved it. There doesn't seem to be much in between. I'm on the side of those who loved it. I thought it was the perfect end for him.
What, because he didn't have a 15-minute scene of taking heads with lightsabers?
Maybe he should have leapt about like Yoda in AOTC.
Luke literally strolled onto the field of battle when all hope was lost like a samurai, survived a barrage of laser fire that left a smoking crater the size of a shopping mall, then mind fucked Kylo while giving the Resistance time to escape, and did all of it while using the Force from a planet halfway across the Galaxy. How people don't find that incredibly badass is beyond me.
Absolutely, we seem to be hearing people say "the fans didn't like it because....", presuming to speak for a fanbase that (shock horror) largely loved TLJ.
That's the bit that irritates me here the sense of entitlement that "my views represent the fans", despite all the evidence to the contrary. Even within this thread the number of fans who liked or loved TLJ massively outnumber those who are claiming to be representative of some collective whole.
This was a massively successful movie which the overwhelming majority of fans, casual viewers and critics loved. This "backlash" is a tiny group who seem to have convinced themselves they not only have a right to dislike a film, but to target, harass and abuse the people who made it, bullying their way through the majority and making a ridiculous drama like children.
That's the bit that irritates me here the sense of entitlement that "my views represent the fans", despite all the evidence to the contrary. Even within this thread the number of fans who liked or loved TLJ massively outnumber those who are claiming to be representative of some collective whole.
This was a massively successful movie which the overwhelming majority of fans, casual viewers and critics loved. This "backlash" is a tiny group who seem to have convinced themselves they not only have a right to dislike a film, but to target, harass and abuse the people who made it, bullying their way through the majority and making a ridiculous drama like children.
Or maybe they hold it to a higher standard than others, perhaps some would say too high, and thus expect more from it and are just disappointed like a parent or teacher when it doesn't live up to what you know it is capable of.
Yet Marvel can get out three or four movies a year and are still riding high ten years after they started. I'm sure someone will start talking about super hero fatigue here but it still seems like a problem when people are talking about Star Wars fatigue after only four movies while Marvel was heading into Avengers at this point and could do no wrong.
To me this is the only way an Obi Wan movie can work. No Luke except maybe a mention in passing. If the plot is about the Empire maybe finding out about Luke unless Ben leaps into action once more I am officially out.
Marvel is different than Star Wars. Star Wars is more limited, or has been, than Marvel. The MCU has some 70 years or more source material to draw from (counting Timely Comics, etc.), and they've done a good job of presenting different kinds of films that make the MCU more diverse. There is a MCU formula IMO and it does get stale-for me at times-but not for the masses. And even with that, the MCU will then come along and just pour on the spectacle like with Thor Ragnarok, topicality with Black Panther, or sheer epic scope with Infinity War. Star Wars has mostly been about the Skywalker Saga, and while I have enjoyed a lot of the EU material that goes beyond that, there isn't much of a track record to prove that the mass audience will go beyond that. Rogue One did very well-though Rogue One got the benefit of TFA's massive box office and success and also being the first of the anthology films. So there was the curiosity factor, and also the nostalgia factor of tying the film to ANH. But Solo-a heist film set in the Star Wars universe (like Ant-Man was a heist film in the MCU) didn't catch on (while Ant-Man did). There's a lot of reasons for that, though I do think some of it was mass audience disinterest. Harrison Ford is Han Solo and it doesn't appear enough people care to see Han without Ford playing him. Time will tell for the MCU when/if they start putting out a new Iron Man, Captain America, or Thor. Those things can work-or not-in comics, but for movie audiences it's going to be tough. At this point I think audiences are used to seeing new Batmen, Supermen, and to some extent Spider-Men, though I have to wonder if Andrew Garfield's films, coming so soon after Maguire's didn't take a bit of a hit because there hadn't been enough time to let the concept rest, but I don't know if they are ready to see new takes on the MCU characters since so soon.
Another thing is that the MCU is building toward something, so each movie felt like a chapter, or there was an end credit that teased something tying it to the overall epic saga. New Star Wars hasn't done a great job with that. Rogue One was tied to ANH, but it wasn't tied much to the sequels-which made it 'less' important for audiences who are into the sequel trilogy. I didn't watch Solo, but from what I've read/heard about it, the big cameo in that one does nothing to push the sequel story forward and that's a mistake IMO. It creates less incentive to get moviegoers into watching every Star Wars installment, unlike the MCU.
Which is what, really?
Star Wars has always been fun, a spectacle full of pathos and high adventure. It has never been a cerebral masterclass in meaningful art. If anything Luke's arc here represents a step towards a higher standard, a symbolic action with far reaching meaning and consequences rater than yet another light sabre duel. TLJ subverted that expectation, broke the mould in terms of the structure of a Star Wards film. That's hardly a drop in standards.
Marvel as a franchise has a very different core fan base, we are talking about a comic book franchise that has relied for decades on fans who expect to shell out on a weekly or monthly basis, who expect to get regular instalments. That set of expectations has transferred almost purpose made into providing an audience receptive to the MCU format.
Star Wars is a very different beast, it has for a long time made most of it's money from casual viewers who expected nothing more than a film every few years if at all. The hardcore fanbase who bought into the old EU simply isn't that large to make up the shortfall and are frankly split on the idea of the universe they know now being supplanted.
While I agree with your post, I'd like to add that the same could be said of anything - high standards/expectations breed disappointment and bitterness no matter the object of our affections. We are currently riding a crest of peak fan toxicity and there is a direct correlation as we also have peak Star Wars.
I try to enjoy The Star Wars to have fun and tune out of reality for a few hours here and there. Not sure if it's owed any of us more than that - but I am wholly responsible for taking it (my Star Wars fandom) far too seriously on a number of occasions!
The Irony of your statement is underlined above, and the rest of your statement in Bold, I beg to differ..46% isn't an overwhelming Majority..
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