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Throwback: What was your opinion of Star Trek 20 years ago?

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For context: DS9 just completed its sixth season, VOY just completed its fourth, and Insurrection is on its way in five months. I don't remember if a trailer for INS was out yet.

If applicable: Try NOT to have later opinions color what you thought at the time. Let's keep this as if it was literally 20 years ago.

I was 18 and I thought both shows had great seasons. I was super-impressed with the CGI, the space battles, and Species 8472. In my opinion, for Star Trek during the second half of the '90s, the '97-'98 season was probably the peak. '96-'97 was a strong contender, though.

On the DS9 Front: I was intrigued by Section 31 in "Inquisition" and I thought "In the Pale Moonlight" was an Instant Classic.

I thought "Far Beyond the Stars" was also an Instant Classic. On comparing the 1950s to the 1990s: I thought, at the time, our society was so much further along than it was on the issue of race. I had absolutely no idea how mistaken I was, or what the 2010s would be like.

Working backwards: The Dominion War was my first exposure to serialized storytelling and "You Are Cordially Invited" seemed like a good way to blow off steam afterwards.

On the VOY Front: The Hirogen were scary in their first appearance in "Hunters" but I wish they could've done more with them than just ending with holodeck simulations with giving them holodeck technology. That having been said, I did like the WWII simulation.

I thought Seven of Nine was a good addition to the Voyager crew as she was someone who'd actually challenge the Captain. And, being 18, challenging authority and thinking I'm the one who's right goes with the territory. Seven basically was a teenager. It was probably best summed up in "The Gift" and "Hope and Fear".

I didn't have a problem with B&B yet. That didn't come until the following year.

On the Movie Front: And, finally, Michael Piller's idea for Star Trek: Insurrection sounded interesting, being based on "Heart of Darkness". I never actually read the book but the title alone made it sound interesting. I thought FC corrected course with the TNG films, even though GEN was a rocky start, so I had no idea that I'd end up feeling totally indifferent about Insurrection. No idea. I was looking forward to it.

... Wow. That was a lot of Star Trek.

In General: TOS was still my favorite series, even back then, and what drew me to DS9 and VOY were that they were less popular than TNG. Just like now, in my teens, I went against the grain. If something wasn't as popular, or wasn't popular at all, it made me like it even more. Except take that mentality I still have now and multiple it by 100. That's how I was. It was even worse than that in some other ways. I hated the preppy kids. I hated the popular kids. And don't even get me started about the jocks. :p

Honestly, teenage me could've benefited a lot from knowing someone like adult me. I seriously could've taught my younger self a few things. But anyway...

I viewed DS9 and VOY, but especially DS9, the way I view DSC today. While I didn't have a problem with non-first season TNG, the fact that it was still so popular and it was the one I found least interesting, made me recoil about it. It was more of a social thing than necessarily what I thought about the quality of the series, to be honest.

In Kirk vs. Picard Debates online, I always sided with Kirk. If someone said "TNG is better than DS9!" or "TNG is the real Star Trek, who cares about TOS?" it would always make me upset. And being the age I was, I didn't hold back. I was totally unfiltered. "Agree to disagree", which I live by now, was not a concept that had entered into my mind until two years later.
 
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I was enjoying the movies as they came along, I had high hopes for Insurrection but it was a let down ( I’ve since grown to appreciate it). I felt Voyager was a missed opportunity and had abandoned building a VHS collection, and DS9 was a poor imitation of B5. Infact, why couldn’t Trek be more like B5, I thought. Solid continuity and reliable foreshadowing, DS9 was making it up as they went along, I demanded better.

I also didn’t have a TV in 1998,
and being at Uni, I’d diverted my attention to Nights Out, Women, and the occasional study. Twenty years ago, my days of obsessing over canon, making star charts, deck plans and unpublishable novels were over, for a while.

In 1998, I never imagined there’d be an uninspired prequel, the appalling Nemesis or the Reboot. I thought it would bubble along forever without me.
 
At the time, I felt that Trek had been moving from strength to strength with each series better than the one before--until VOY came along. I liked the characters well enough, but disliked VOY's basic premise, which forever ruined it for me. I also was discovering that I preferred the TOS movies over the TNG movies, so in short 20 years ago was the end of my total love affair with Trek. I now had some iterations of Trek I liked less than others.
 
I was super impressed by how both TV shows were developing their ongoing storylines and characters --DS9's sixth season finale blew me away -- and was excited by seeing the TNG crew again soon after the awesome First Contact.

I had no unhappy feelings about the development of the franchise or anything like that :)
 
I was 16, and in the UK and my family had ditched their Sky TV subscription a year earlier. However, VHS releases were happening before Sky even showed some of them. Sometimes, it would be half way through a series when Sky caught up, or half way through a series that VHS releases overtook Sky. Star Trek VHS tapes were practically my life at the time :brickwall:.

Having new episodes to watch was always extremely exciting at the time. (This pretty much faded after Voyager ended*, Enterprise never captured me in quite the same way, but that might have been an extreme depression thing). But in 1998, I didn't see the end of 24th century Trek happening any time soon.

I wasn't actually aware of Insurrection until trailers started appearing on the TV. I actually really enjoyed that when it was released too.
I thought, at the time, our society was so much further along than it was on the issue of race. I had absolutely no idea how mistaken I was, or what the 2010s would be like.

Me neither, but my awakening happened around '02/03 after I had a racist twat start screaming at me to go home whilst on a bus.

If someone said "TNG is better than DS9!" or "TNG is the real Star Trek, who cares about TOS?" it would always make me upset. And being the age I was, I didn't hold back. I was totally unfiltered. "Agree to disagree", which I live by now, was not a concept that had entered into my mind until two years later.

Where I grew up in the UK, being a fan of any Star Trek was very much still something you mostly kept quiet about (particularly as a teenager). I could barely use a computer until I had my own (around 2002) so no debating online. However, I suspect I'd be fairly chilled about it as I hadn't made my mind up between TOS and TNG at the time. What I did know is that since series 4, DS9 had become my favourite, but still didn't appreciate the first 3 series until some years later.

I personally go with TNG now, but that's mostly a nostalgic thing as I grew up with TNG toys. (Though I believe 1998 was the year I actually gave them away to a neighbour's kid... I do regret that in some ways, but not others).

*I'm going to come back to the present now and say that during the first series of Discovery, that level excitement was absolutely back. Probably more than it was when 09 Trek was released.
 
Ah 1998. The summer of - Ray of Light (Madonna) and Ghetto Superstar were playing on every radio. I was more susceptible to the frenzied beats of Fatboy Slim.

In 1998, I was super still into Trek in spirit... but a lack of cable TV (having moved off to university) made viewing difficult. Also, there were so many social distractions and activities. I do distinctly remember thinking at the time that Trek would have to wait until much later when I had the time to properly digest the waning seasons of DS9 and VOY... which of course, I did. I still revel in finding an old DS9 or VOY that I've never seen. A real treat at this day and age.

So my opinion of Trek in 1998 was that I liked it more than ever, but didn't have the time or the mechanism to watch it. My mates and I spent a ton of time (and money) playing the classic Decipher Trek CCG game back then, though! That game was (and is still today!) so terrific...
 
Twenty years ago was my absolute low in Star Trek fandom:
It had been almost a year since I had seen an episode. I am pretty sure I started the fourth season of Voyager, but I finally gave in and stopped watching it.
And I similarly had given up on DS9, though probably earlier. I'm not sure if DS9 was even on in this market anymore by that time.

I came back to both shows during their final season, but I'm not certain that for DS9 it wasn't reruns. I got back into Voyager during season six because the local UPN station re-ran that week's episode Sunday night around midnight. I worked in a pizza shop that had a tv and closed at 11, so I could clean the store and then watch Voyager before going home.
And then they put DS9 on after Voyager.

The movies? I haven't seen a Star Trek film in a theater since The Voyage Home, and I'm not sure about that one. I am part of the 45% of Americans who see "one-or-fewer" movies in the theater each year.
So I guess I'd recently rented First Contact. It was okay. None of the films left me particularly excited.

I know it's not really what you wanted, but that's where I was back then. No fond memories of those seasons here.
 
I know it's not really what you wanted, but that's where I was back then. No fond memories of those seasons here.

It's exactly what I want. I actually do like seeing perspectives that aren't mine, even if I don't agree with them. I like to see outside of my own thought-bubble and have the reminder that, at the end of the day, all of our views are filtered through a lens. Including mine.
 
I missed ST: TNG.

Didn't like Voyager, but I only had access to antennae TV and there was almost jack to watch, so I watched it. The highly was before or after it, when UPN aired "Seven Days".

I was bored with D.S.9., but stuck with it -- again, antennae TV (and no internet access). It was better than Voyager.

Seeing First Contact in the theater was fun, but I didn't like it and hated the new Enterprise and uniforms. Action Picard was a betrayal of the character. The Borg were not the Borg. I got bored with it over time and really thinking about it and what it was, I have grown to despite it. Back then I was perfectly happy just to watch more TNG re-runs than see the film again.
 
I was a young 30 year old ! lol Blockbusters video stores were my best friend back then, I had cable TV but it was quicker to rent the videos if you wanted the see the latest episode.

DS9 was my favourite Star Trek show, (still is) I watched VOY because it had a female captain but most of the stories were forgettable for me. I really enjoyed First Contact so was hoping Insurrection was even more enjoyable (it wasn't but I don't mind re-watching it now). I preferred the TNG movies to the show. I liked what they did with the Picard character,having him more action oriented was a positive change. Most people are not one dimensional characters, there was no reason Picard could not be cerebral Picard TNG and an action man Picard movie.

I did not get a pc until 1998 and was not on the internet much in those days, so whatever arguments were going in the Trek world I did not know about and to be honest would not have cared less about them. Sadly I had a vast Trek book collection from the 1980's that I got rid of. I used to haunt the shop Forbidden Planet when it was on New Oxford Street (these were pre Amazon and Kindle days lol
 
Fairly displeased. The action-adventure format of TOS was completely gone.
 
I was a teenager faithfully watching VOY every week, as I appreciated the nuances of the Seven of Nine character. I wasn't regularly watching DS9, since by that time I thought it was kind of boring. And I didn't enjoy INS as much as FC.

Kor
 
Honestly, I felt it was oversaturated. DS9 wasn't appealing to me specifically, though it's grown on me over the years. I didn't like Voyager at all, & still don't much.

& the TNG movies were becoming progressively less inspired IMHO. It was just too much. I could see the carpet wearing thin by then
 
20 years ago my opinion was mostly nonexistent ... but always positive when it did exist. Until last year I had only seen TOS and the first 2 seasons of TNG. Don't think I've never had a negative opinion of Trek.
 
1998? That would be what, between seasons 4-5 of Voyager, between seasons 6-7 of DS9?

Channeling 15 year old me...

Voyager was better this season with Seven, she's a good character, though they sell her sexuality a bit too much. Still nowhere near as good as TNG, I look forward to next season. Neelix is annoying. What the hell are they doing with DS9? So many stupid Ferengi episodes. *Sigh* Now what's the minimum I can commit to do this summer so my parents are still satisfied that my summer had 'structure'? Space camp might actually be fun. What was I doing? Oh right, Star Trek. Yeah, DS9 is so AGAINST what Star Trek stands for! The evolution of the human race and pursuit of peace and DS9 is having them corrupt and going to war? That's stupid, that's not Star Trek. I think I'll start another playthrough of Final Fantasy Tactics. Can't wait for Xenogears. Anyway, horray Voyager, boo DS9. I wonder if there's any message boards where I can share my opinion about all things Star Trek.
 
Voyager was better this season with Seven, she's a good character, though they sell her sexuality a bit too much. Still nowhere near as good as TNG, I look forward to next season. Neelix is annoying. What the hell are they doing with DS9? So many stupid Ferengi episodes. *Sigh* Now what's the minimum I can commit to do this summer so my parents are still satisfied that my summer had 'structure'? Space camp might actually be fun. What was I doing? Oh right, Star Trek. Yeah, DS9 is so AGAINST what Star Trek stands for! The evolution of the human race and pursuit of peace and DS9 is having them corrupt and going to war? That's stupid, that's not Star Trek. I think I'll start another playthrough of Final Fantasy Tactics. Can't wait for Xenogears. Anyway, horray Voyager, boo DS9. I wonder if there's any message boards where I can share my opinion about all things Star Trek.

Thanks for recapturing the flavor of those message boards! That brings me back.

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I had already lost interest in both DS9 and VOY by that time, even though I was a big fan of VOY during the first couple of seasons. Wasn't interested in seeing Insurrection either. I had other stuff going on in my life that took up my time.

But I would occasionally power up my VCR, insert one of my TOS movie VHS tapes when I was in the mood to watch something Trek. I never got tired of TOS.

Honestly, teenage me could've benefited a lot from knowing someone like adult me. I seriously could've taught my younger self a few things. But anyway...
This is off topic.

This comment of yours reminded me of an episode of The Twilight Zone (80s version not the black and white one). I remember the story but not the title. I had to look it up. The title of the ep is "One Life, Furnished in Early Poverty". Your paragraph, more or less, describes the premise of the story. It had an interesting twist at the end.

Btw, the episode was based on a story by Harlan Ellison, who as you know wrote "The City on the Edge of Forever". So I guess this isn't completely off topic. There is a connection to Star Trek.

I rambled on too long already. If you are, or anyone else is interested, you can probably see it on youtube.
 
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