Alex Kurtzman Gets New Deal With CBS, Will Expand 'Star Trek' TV

[mos6507]

Stewart is coming back, but as an elderly Captain Kirk.

Just imagine what Patrick Stewart would look like wearing Shat's rug!

 

[CaptGrumpy]

For some reason these news leave me completely cold. After a disappointing first season of Discovery, I have little trust that these people will be able to produce a show that is worth anyone‘s time for year two, let alone five (!) parallel Trek shows. Please fix Discovery, before you venture into obscure ideas like a show about Picard (?), Kahn (?) or Starfleet cadets.

For a fandom about a series that shows optimism, we got a bunch of pessimists here. These aren't even official ideas, just rumors.

Why not wait til we get official info on the new shows, then, we can rip the ideas apart before we see the results.

 

[XCV330]

It's interesting as a counterpoint to the TNG movies, because it's basically feature length. As I said, Trek works better on the small screen, and a big part of this is because the Trek format works much better when there aren't "villains." All Good Things... had conflict and suspense, but no bad guy. All 3.75 of the TNG movies, in contrast, insisted on having bad guys. The latter three made it something of a personal conflict between Picard and the main baddy, turning him into a shallow action hero character.

Someone did a cut on youtube of All Good Things with the soundtrack from Interstellar. It works!(the music in the edit is too loud, but it still works)

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

All Good Things does seem some more TV Movie than TV episode

 

[Groppler Zorn]

Someone did a cut on youtube of All Good Things with the soundtrack from Interstellar. It works!(the music in the edit is too loud, but it still works)

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

All Good Things does seem some more TV Movie than TV episode

Didn’t Ron Moore say they thought “all good things” was the superior effort compared with “generations”?

I’ve long thought he was right.

 

[cultcross]

Didn’t Ron Moore say they thought “all good things” was the superior effort compared with “generations”?

I’ve long thought he was right.

The DVD commentary for Generations leaves you in little doubt that was the general consensus. All Good Things is an arguably near perfect TV finale. Generations was a movie that was hamstrung by trying to hit way too many pre defined marks and also makes not the slightest bit of sense. It's not irredeemable, I mostly enjoy it, but it has nothing on AGT, and the writers clearly knew that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's a great episode and would have been a fitting end, but it wasn't the end.

Regardless, you're missing the point.

Yeah, it was the end of TNG. The movies were a different animal. They rose and fell on their own.

 

[Groppler Zorn]

All Good Things is an arguably near perfect TV finale. Generations was a movie that was hamstrung by trying to hit way too many pre defined marks and also makes not the slightest bit of sense. It's not irredeemable, I mostly enjoy it, but it has nothing on AGT, and the writers clearly knew that.

Definitely agree. It makes me wonder what movie they would have made had they not had to shoehorn Kirk and co in there.

The only memorable thing about GEN for me was the crash scene - and that’s only because my dad bought me the TNG technical manual in like 1991 and I remember the galaxy class saucer landing image depicted there.

Tangentially there’s a great novel called “rogue saucer” that’s set just before GEN where they (spoilers) land a galaxy class saucer and the Maquis are involved - it’s a pretty good read actually - would have made a better film than GEN

 

[johnjm22]

Tarantino is right. There's a lot of good episodes of Star Trek that could be extrapolated into good movies.

Many episodes of TNG were better than the films.

 

[XCV330]

Tarantino is right. There's a lot of good episodes of Star Trek that could be extrapolated into good movies.

Many episodes of TNG were better than the films.

Sometimes the constraints of having to work within a certain amount of time helped tighten the story, though. A lot of movies lately are getting very bloated in terms of screen time. Audiences have to sit through 30 minutes of adds with 32 ounces sodas and then put their bladders through purgatory while they sit through 3 hours of what would normally be a director's cut.

I could imagine Inner Light as a film, but then I could imagine it being ruined as a film, too.

 

[Jinn]

Definitely agree. It makes me wonder what movie they would have made had they not had to shoehorn Kirk and co in there.

The only memorable thing about GEN for me was the crash scene - and that’s only because my dad bought me the TNG technical manual in like 1991 and I remember the galaxy class saucer landing image depicted there

Tangentially connected; the first episode of the German satire show Heute Show that I saw included a comical resynchronization of the landing and the immediate moments before where the crew has to land on Earth because they don't have anymore fuel and the only airport that's still around is Berlin-brandenburg (a frequent target among German satire due to it's prolonged building process and failures). As it turns out the airport isn't finished yet and we get the "landing" of the Enterpries I've been watching the show ever since.

Tangentially there’s a great novel called “rogue saucer” that’s set just before GEN where they (spoilers) land a galaxy class saucer and the Maquis are involved - it’s a pretty good read actually - would have made a better film than GEN

It's moments like these when I regret reading chronologically. I'll be trapped in 2268 for another while...

 

[Vger23]

The Abrams movies and TMP?



I’ve seen shows where execs ended up making the decisions based on that. The results ended up...haphazard, to put it mildly. And pretty unenjoyable for me.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the sad story of why I never saw the ending to Glee!

The moment the coach starts listening to the fans up in the stands for advice on what plays to call, that team is dead. Fans watch, writers write, directors direct. Simple constructs!

 

[Vger23]

Not really.

There's a sentiment in Hollywood at present that when you own a franchise that the thing to do is just flog it to death. Historically, that led to franchise fatique with Trek, but enough time has gone by that I think the suits don't want to let it rest and seek out new blood to revitalize the thing, instead of just rewarding Kurtzman with a big-ass contract based on dubious achievement.

I think with all these concepts there are ways to screw up the actual execution, just as there was with Discovery, and putting Kurtzman at the helm of the sausage factory probably makes that more likely than not.

The only Trek project that I think has any real promise is Tarantino Trek, and only if he directs the thing rather than just submitting a story outline.

You have a very very hard time separating your own desires, tastes and values from reality.

 

[Vger23]

What's the appeal, if you don't mind me asking?

I partially avoid superhero shows because I really friggin hate villains. Not as in I love to hate them, as in I hate stories which have simplistic bad guys who the heroes have to defeat. It's the same reason I really didn't like most of the Trek movies, because they came down to "defeat bad guy X this time." Even the best Trek villain of all time - Gul Dukat - was completely ruined as a character post-Waltz with all of his complexity removed so as to stop fans from identifying with him. I realize good shows must have conflict, but IMHO internal conflict - or conflict where there is no one who is clearly right or wrong - is just so much better than the whole white hat/black hat crap.

Note: I understand that some comic book stories are more complex than this. But I really don't feel like wading through the genre to find it.



I suppose you could have had Data downloaded somehow into a hologram and beamed to Voyager late in the series, when contact with the Alpha Quadrant was re-established.

From the way you're describing them, they sound like modern versions of Xena or something.

I'm with you man, the whole superhero thing just gives me gas and makes my eyes hurt.

 

[ITDUDE]

For some reason these news leave me completely cold. After a disappointing first season of Discovery, I have little trust that these people will be able to produce a show that is worth anyone‘s time for year two, let alone five (!) parallel Trek shows. Please fix Discovery, before you venture into obscure ideas like a show about Picard (?), Kahn (?) or Starfleet cadets.

Well, "these people" are gone now. Since season 2 is half done, I don't know if it can be salvaged. But IF there is a season 3, I think it will be different from first two. Don't know if it that will be enough to fix it. And I am stoked about Starfleet Academy and Picard show ideas, like I said earlier, there will always be time to be pessimistic later. Let's for now just hope for the best.

 

[johnjm22]

Sometimes the constraints of having to work within a certain amount of time helped tighten the story, though. A lot of movies lately are getting very bloated in terms of screen time. Audiences have to sit through 30 minutes of adds with 32 ounces sodas and then put their bladders through purgatory while they sit through 3 hours of what would normally be a director's cut.

I agree, but the two part episodes are basically feature length already.

All Good Things, Chain of Command, Redemption and Best of Both Worlds are the best TNG "movies".

 

[ITDUDE]

Someone did a cut on youtube of All Good Things with the soundtrack from Interstellar. It works!(the music in the edit is too loud, but it still works)

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

All Good Things does seem some more TV Movie than TV episode

Aww, you got me all nostalgic for All good things. I'll go watch it now. Be back in couple hours.

 

[Butters]

The DVD commentary for Generations leaves you in little doubt that was the general consensus. All Good Things is an arguably near perfect TV finale. Generations was a movie that was hamstrung by trying to hit way too many pre defined marks and also makes not the slightest bit of sense. It's not irredeemable, I mostly enjoy it, but it has nothing on AGT, and the writers clearly knew that.

All Good Things was ok. Generations had some issues but it was a solid movie.

All Good Things receives a lot of praise but the plot makes no sense. How can it be bigger in the past? The existence of the anomaly prevents the course of events that leads to its creation. How can the anomaly exist if humanity never evolved to create it, by means that also make no sense. Firing the beam in three different time zones?

Shit, i turned the landing light on in 2003, 2008 and 2018. Same house, same light switch, what have I done

It had some great character moments, I can’t deny, but I like a story to make sense.

 

[XCV330]

All Good Things was ok. Generations had some issues but it was a solid movie.

All Good Things receives a lot of praise but the plot makes no sense. How can it be bigger in the past? The existence of the anomaly prevents the course of events that leads to its creation. How can the anomaly exist if humanity never evolved to create it, by means that also make no sense. Firing the beam in three different time zones?

Shit, i turned the landing light on in 2003, 2008 and 2018. Same house, same light switch, what have I done

It had some great character moments, I can’t deny, but I like a story to make sense.

why does time move "forward" or do we perceive it as such so that the tapestry of time makes sense to minds that are preset for causation?

 

[Butters]

why does time move "forward" or do we perceive it as such so that the tapestry of time makes sense to minds that are preset for causation?

The whole premise of the episode was causation.

Picard creates the event that destroys humanity. It’s the grandfather paradox. If Picard exists to create the anomaly, how can humanity have never existed?

The anomaly exists in negative time, so it’s growth happens in the opposite direction, but it still intersects. Unless, it’s creating an alternative timeline inwhich humanity didn’t exists, without cancelling the reality in which humanity did exist to create the anomaly, inwhich case, what difference does it make?

It makes no sense. Get a flip chart and a marker, plot it out like in Back to the Future 2, it doesn’t tally.

 

[cultcross]

Nearly all time travel stories in Trek have a grandfather paradox in them somewhere, and at least AGT could claim Q as a causative agent.

First Contact doesn't work either, but sometimes you gotta lay down the marker pen and enjoy the story.