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In these contexts, "pointless" often reads as a rationalized way of saying "it didn't do anything for me."
No, it means that it doesn't do anything to change the plot. In the case of TLJ, it did change the plot - made things worse. Kind of a similar argument was being made to Batman's Hong Kong detour in DK.
That's demonstrably false. The broom sweeper who can use the Force and his friends who were shown at the end were directly inspired by the events at Canto Bight.
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To go along with this, people complain how the good guys screwed up. Yes they did. That was the point. Johnson was trying to establish the First Order as a real threat. He couldn't just have Luke Skywalker and the resistance stomp all over them this movie. They are setting up a continuing struggle between the Resistance the the First Order.
I don't think we are going to see a "happily ever after" ending in the next movie either, where the Resistance kills the "Emperor" I mean Kylo and every has a party. I think Disney is going to make this conflict open ended for more movies 9and money).
Narratively, they should somehow change the status quo though. Keeping it as the scrappy resistance vs unbeatable empire forever is kind of... boring?
Since we don't know the outcome of these events this point is kind of...unknowable right now.
Yeah I know that - just stating my hopes for the future.
Depends on the number of ticket sales, nothing else.
TLJ tried to do that, given how badly the status quo was kept for TFA. All people did was whine and gripe about it not being what they expected (read: more of the same)
But they're just movies. Real life doesn't always mimic fiction, or vice-versa.
TLJ changed the status quo by basically having the empire win. Which is also what happened in ESB...
And ROTS, which is far more depressing than either TLJ or ESB for me.
Indeed.
Really, each episode of the PT represents a victory for Darth Sidious, the first two of which chronicle his achieving important prerequisites of the Empire, respectively his becoming head of the Republic and the creation of his army.
Five of Episodes I-VIII end in a victory for the bad guys. That will still be a majority when the Sequel Trilogy is complete.
Not really. Vader arguably scores a personal victory in ESB. In that he didn’t die, and our protagonists aren’t exactly happy by the end.
But he’s not victorious in his goals either (recruiting Luke to his cause, backstabbing the Emperor, and capturing Leia.) Nor is the greater Empire vs Rebels plot affected all that much. They’re really all still where they were at the beginning of the movie: The Empire are still down a superweapon, and The Rebels are still scurrying around as downtrodden guerrilla fighters.
Hell. Depending on the gap between ESB and ROTJ, The Rebels might actually be winning in the background. Those Bothan’s had to successfully steal the Death Star plans at some point.
But by the end of TLJ, the status quo for all sides of the various conflicts have been explicitly been completely upended. The FO are certainly in a far stronger position then they were intitially, the Resistance has been destroyed, the newly-reformed Rebels are only a weak fledgling force, The Jedi are restructuring, and (interestingly) the Sith have possibly taken a massive hit. For now.
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When is that movie coming out?
Tell you what. The Rebels lost their base on Hoth, Han got frozen and taken away to Jabba, Luke's all bummed out, and the Rebels have been forced to retreat outside the galaxy. The Empire Struck Back, for sure.
Oh, and newb Lando lost his Cloud City.
And Luke lost a hand.
He did! They kinda fixed that up by the end of the film, but yes he did!
Rogue Two (2020)
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You know...I could have sworn that I said ‘the heroes suffered personal losses’ in my very first sentence. I even mentioned Hoth!
The point was outside of Hoth (which they considered a strangulation-worthy fuck up), what did The Empire gain in over the course of the following 2hours? The empty Cloud City? Maybe?Hans gone, but that’s specifically because the Empire doesn’t give a fuck about him. He was useful as bait, and after that Vader didn’t care.
There’s even the scene of Luke and Leia reuniting with the Rebels, to reassure the audience that’s doing alright for itself.
The situation at the end of TLJ was much closer to ROTS. The Republic/Resistance is dead, and the Empire/FO have consolidated their power. Defeats, destruction, and dead/fallen heroes all ‘round. But hope lives on in the newly formed Rebels, and the newborn Jedi.
But please ‘tell me what’ more, daddy.
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OK.
By the end of TESB, the Rebels got their butts kicked.
Don't see it.
No, the Rebels are definitely worse off than they were at the beginning of the film.
I thought we were talking about Episode V. That's information revealed in Episode VI.