Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?

[Trekkin]

To Disney, that's failure, especially how Ron Howard is now blaming TLJ for spoiling the well to the point of keeping people away from Solo.

Sure, that’s exacty what he said.

Oh, waaaaiiit...

He totally wasn’t just implying that anyone ‘boycotting’ out of sheer spite, was a self-defeating moron.

Is this the next stage of fandom? Everyone starts ‘fix-ficcing’ reality?

On the internet everything sort of gets shifted towards hyperbole but there's no denying that Disney isn't happy with how the SW franchise is being stewarded at present.

Sure we can.

Rejecting the demands of entitled annoyances who can’t produce receipts, is a totally acceptable practice. Encouraged, even.

 

[Campe]

^ I heard Hitler's rise was the fault of TLJ. It was said on a vlog. Anything else is fake news.

 

[Trekkin]

So that means TLJ also caused WW1.

Well, I guess it makes explaining that situation a hell of a lot simpler.

 

[BillJ]

US Civil War? The fault of The Last Jedi!

 

[Campe]

Let's just simplify this. Any death, destruction, war, hate, crime against humanity? Its all the fault of that jackass Rian Johnson, his SJW boss Kathleen Kennedy and their movie The Last fucking Jedi.

 

[BillJ]

I think the performance of Solo has more to do with Rogue One than The Last Jedi. Rogue One showed that these side films weren't going to add anything of importance to the Star Wars narrative.

 

[dahj]

So to recap... the narrative these people are trying to push is that because all this diversity is ruining Star Wars, the people have decided to boycott the movie with the straightest whitest lead in the entire Star Wars Galaxy?

Makes sense.

 

[Campe]

I think the performance of Solo has more to do with Rogue One than The Last Jedi. Rogue One showed that these side films weren't going to add anything of importance to the Star Wars narrative.

They're these niche movies which show a tiny corner of the Star Wars mythos that most moviegoers can do without. Or fix plot holes. Which both Rogue One and Solo did. And neither really needed to be fixed. That's fine if that's your jam, but they're not films that cater to general audiences.

 

[Trekkin]

I think all the people mad about this should take their stand all the way, donate all their action figures to actual children!

Or buy up all the toys at their local Target, and smash ‘em.

It will show Disney they really mean business.

They're these niche movies which show a tiny corner of the Star Wars mythos that most moviegoers can do without. Or fix plot holes. Which both Rogue One and Solo did. And neither really needed to be fixed. That's fine if that's your jam, but they're not films that cater to general audiences.

There was something about this one that just really failed to capture my interest. I didn’t end up seeing it until after that crucial opening weekend.

I put it down to the advertising, and just being released amidst...everything. Including Star Wars itself.

But In hindsight, there may have been a bit of subconscious hangover from R1. Not a movie I loathed or anything, but a movie that I was disappointed with all the same.

 

[fireproof78]

Public anticipation of the original characters/actors returning to SW generated a lot of box office.

That doesn't explain Rogue One.

On the internet everything sort of gets shifted towards hyperbole but there's no denying that Disney isn't happy with how the SW franchise is being stewarded at present.

Based upon what evidence? Again, Bog Iger is responsible for Solo, as is Lawrence Kasdan. The facts of that case fall in Disney's court, not squarely on Kennedy.

Whatever facts that Internet thinks it has, we don't have enough information to make the business decisions or determine Disney's satisfaction with Kennedy's performance.

 

[Campe]

There was something about this one that just really failed to capture my interest. I didn’t end up seeing it until after that crucial opening weekend.

I put it down to the advertising, and just being released amidst...everything. Including Star Wars itself.

But In hindsight, there may have been a bit of subconscious hangover from R1. Not a movie I loathed or anything, but a movie that I was disappointed with all the same.

Rogue One was an excellent war movie. But as a Star Wars movie? I found it dour and joyless, full of fan service and more cameos than you can shake a stick at. For some, people like that. That's cool by me. I own it, but any time I try to watch it, I can't get past Jyn's mother getting killed.

Solo was a ton of fun (honestly, more fun that it had any right being) but still had a lot of (less obvious) fan service. I do everything in my power to avoid advertising so we don't have cable and pay for no ads on Hulu so I never once saw a TV spot for Solo. But I have to say, if I were just a casual fan? After Rogue One? A Star Wars Story that was depressing? I might have skipped this one in theaters too.

At the same time, I'm sure there are those who did skip Solo because of The Last Jedi.

 

[Trekkin]

Rogue One was an excellent war movie. But as a Star Wars movie? I found it dour and joyless, full of fan service and more cameos than you can shake a stick at. For some, people like that. That's cool by me. I own it, but any time I try to watch it, I can't get past Jyn's mother getting killed.

Solo was a ton of fun (honestly, more fun that it had any right being) but still had a lot of (less obvious) fan service. I do everything in my power to avoid advertising so we don't have cable and pay for no ads on Hulu so I never once saw a TV spot for Solo. But I have to say, if I were just a casual fan? After Rogue One? A Star Wars Story that was depressing? I might have skipped this one in theaters too.

At the same time, I'm sure there are those who did skip Solo because of The Last Jedi.

My issue was less the tone, and more of a ‘I don’t care about these people’ problem.

It wasn’t as bad as Godzilla, but oh boy did I not give a shit about Jyn, her dad, Forrest Whitaker, or Cassian. They were about as well-rounded as your average chess piece.

(I know it’s old hat to shit on Edwards for his character work, but I’d like to note that I did like the main couple in Monsters. And he did a pretty good job with Godzilla himself.)

And all the advertising for Solo didn’t exactly convince me that I wasn’t in for another dose of that same problem. Just with Space Indiana Jones cardboard cuts-outs, instead of the Kids First Dirty Dozen. Luckily, everyone turned out to be likeable enough.

I have trouble talking about Solo. It’s like trying to give an in-depth opinion on CoCo Pops.

 

[Spot261]

To Disney, that's failure

Nope, it's their fourth highest grossing film of all time and the single most profitable film anyone released last year. Anyone at Disney who's complaining about that is living in their own strange world, certainly Ron Howard has said nothing of the sort.

In fact there's a reasonable case here for calling it one of the most successful movies of all time. Which is nice.

So we're really not talking about killing franchises as much as IP owners seeing the value of those franchises degrade.

Again, just not even close to true. TLJ was a massive commercial and critical success, not to mention every single audience poll or website being overwhelmingly positive. This "audience backlash" doesn't exist, it's in the imagination of a tiny minority of people posting on youtube because nowhere else are their views being taken seriously.

On the internet everything sort of gets shifted towards hyperbole but there's no denying that Disney isn't happy with how the SW franchise is being stewarded at present.

Yeah, there really is.

 

[Campe]

My issue was less the tone, and more of a ‘I don’t care about these people’ problem.

It wasn’t as bad as Godzilla, but oh boy did I not give a shit about Jyn, her dad, Forrest Whitaker, or Cassian. They were about as well-rounded as your average chess piece.

The wonderful thing about art, including film, is its totally subjective. People can have totally different reactions to the same thing. At the same time, you do have a point. I think a big problem with R1 is that there are definitely things missing. Jyn and, um... (looks it up, because damnit I can't remember) Baze have an exchange late in the movie where Baze calls Jyn "little sister." There is something huge that is missing there. At no point is there anything significant about their relationship that would lead me to think Baze would ever call Jyn :"little sister." Did this have to do with the massive reshoots R1 had and it was just an artifact from a previous version? Or was it just poor plotting? We'll never know. But its a hollow attempt at a character moment.

 

[Spot261]

So to recap... the narrative these people are trying to push is that because all this diversity is ruining Star Wars, the people have decided to boycott the movie with the straightest whitest lead in the entire Star Wars Galaxy?

Makes sense.

Amazing isn't it? The SJW agenda is killing SW, which explains why the film with the female lead was one of the most successful movies of all time, but the one with the white guy bombed.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[UssGlenn]

It's much simpler than any sort of conscious boycott. The vast majority of movie goers are casual fans. About the level I am of Jurassic Park. I saw Jurassic World in the theater, and it was fine, but I don't feel the need to see Fallen Kingdom in the theater, I'll rent it later. Similarly The Last Jedi didn't connect with audiences enough to maintain Star Wars Momentum. Combine that with the fact that Solo is a one off and not the next chapter in the saga and most people are content to rent it at home. It's no more complicated than that.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It's much simpler than any sort of conscious boycott. The vast majority of movie goers are casual fans. About the level I am of Jurassic Park. I saw Jurassic World in the theater, and it was fine, but I don't feel the need to see Fallen Kingdom in the theater, I'll rent it later. Similarly The Last Jedi didn't connect with audiences enough to maintain Star Wars Momentum. Combine that with the fact that Solo is a one off and not the next chapter in the saga and most people are content to rent it at home. It's no more complicated than that.

At last, a plausible theory: the general audience isn't interested in shelling out such a large share of their family entertainment budget on a regular basis on just Star Wars.

 

[BillJ]

At last, a plausible theory: the general audience isn't interested in shelling out such a large share of their family entertainment budget on a regular basis on just Star Wars.

Then Kennedy's job is clear going forward: figure out a way to make these side movies a must-see part of the current narrative.

 

[fireproof78]

Then Kennedy's job is clear going forward: figure out a way to make these side movies a must-see part of the current narrative.

Make it so.

Oops, wrong franchise.

 

[Awesome Possum]

The movie got new directors a month ago, it has no cast, and likely the script isn't done either.
There's no way it's making that date.

I think Sony has to release it before a certain date or lose the rights and they are desperate for any property that's known and could possibly make a profit. So it will probably be rushed and an awful piece of shit like everything Sony releases.