For a long time, in the circles I visited, TPM was considered a near death-knell. If ROTS hadn't been so well received perhaps the PT would have been.
Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?
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Sure, which can lead to cancellation (and then the remaining fans complaining that the others should have given it more of a chance) but makes more sense than continuing to watch something you dislike.
Absolutely, just differing with your ideas that it often was fans making the new products and that a big component to fan attacks could be jealousy.
I’m not going to force myself to watch something I hate so it won’t get cancelled.
I do think it’s jealousy when it is fans making the show.
So I am curious. What happens if the next "Star Wars" movie is a flop or if it's not seen as good in terms of quality? I am one who thinks the Kennedy criticism is unbalanced and exagerrated and also exploited by some for more sinister reasons but I think she does have to take some blame. She is in charge so any failures are going to be linked to her. It's like a football coach whose team isn't winning or not winning enough. At some point whether it's fair or not the buck finally stop's at the person with the most control. As a Trek fan we already went down this path before both with Gene Roddenberry and then Rick Berman. I'm sue "TLJ" isn't seen as a failure since it made money unless the issue of people not liking it influenced them in not seeing "Solo."
Put that together with what might be a unwise idea in doing a Fett movie I don't see how anyone can't be just a little concerned with the leadership. Not to a point where anyone should be fired just yet but to use the sports example it makes sense to feel like she might be on the hot seat right now. Not that she can't make a comeback where everyone who doubted her looks foolish. For all we know the Fett movie will be awesome and Abrams will be a miracle worker which I can really see since "The Force Awakens" IMO is the best of the Disney films.
Jason
Put that together with what might be a unwise idea in doing a Fett movie I don't see how anyone can't be just a little concerned with the leadership. Not to a point where anyone should be fired just yet but to use the sports example it makes sense to feel like she might be on the hot seat right now. Not that she can't make a comeback where everyone who doubted her looks foolish. For all we know the Fett movie will be awesome and Abrams will be a miracle worker which I can really see since "The Force Awakens" IMO is the best of the Disney films.
Jason
Public blame might fall on her, but Disney leadership owns Solo according to the facts of the case. Which, is what Kennedy can base her record on is the facts, including, as you mention, how TFA, Rogue One and TLJ did money wise.
Get back to me, if anything like that happens.
I know people should be patient but I have never seen that happen either in sports or their favorite movie or tv franchise's. It only seems more toxic now because we are seeing people who go beyond the normal impatience people tend to do to also seeing the nuts and crazies so into everyone's faces. They make it so much harder to talk about normal nerd rants by making people paranoid that any complaints are the same. Also we focus on "Star Wars" but is their ANYTHING today that doesn't have half of the internet outraged over it? Seems like you can't enjoy anything anymore or even have fun outrage anymore because of just how out of hand some people get. Nerd rants and monday mourning quarterbacking is suppose to be fun. Not some life deadly struggle to win the internet or make America great again or whatever.
Jason
These toxic assholes are not the majority, just a vocal minority. They aren't going to be able to make any movie flop because there aren't enough of them to make a difference.
They could be mistaken for a majority though, theses films are ultimately made by human beings, human beings with feelings. No matter what anyone thinks about the prequels GL gave up on the franchise because of the abuse, we've seen an actress essentially go into hiding because of it. That abuse affects these people.
The irony is that contrary to the narrative being spat out TLJ was a massive success story, being both the most profitable and highest grossing film of 2017 with an absurdly high approval rating on RT and critical acclaim.
But, y'know, girls are ruining our films
It made over a billion dollars! How is that a failure? It only made slightly less than the most successful movie ever, fire everyone involved!
I think "Solo" might be seen as how it failed. Depends on how much stock one puts into the idea that people so disliked the movie they choose to not go see "Solo." I think other things played a role in "Solo" being a flop but I do wonder if people's dislike of "TLJ" factored into it at all. I think the real test though will be the next movie. As for them being a minority, that might be the case but that doesn't mean they can't make a impact. If you go on Youtube or whatever and you hear people constantly bash a film eventually people might buy into it. Sometimes reputation alone can do damage. Then you add in the fact that the movie might have some real flaws instead of the fake SJW complaints then we know about the behind the scenes stuff and it can all add up. As a Trek fan I am certain "DS9" didn't become a bigger hit because it got a reputation of being the dark Trek and they didn't go anywhere because of the station setting. I think the ratings were hurt by that and that all was happening pre-internet.
Jason
Public anticipation of the original characters/actors returning to SW generated a lot of box office.
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You're really using Solo's failure at the box office to prove that getting rid of Harrison Ford wasn't an issue?
A lot of the disinterest in Solo is apparently due to people not warming up to someone other than Ford playing the character.
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I think their is some truth in that. Which makes me wonder how the final chapter will play out in terms of box office with no Luke,Solo or Leia in the movie. It will be a interesting gage at just how popular the new characters really are. Another issue is what will be playing near it at the time. I don't really follow release dates so does anyone else know? Will the next Avengers movie be coming out at that time or what other big Summer movies it will have to compete with?
Jason
Avengers 4 - 5/3/19
Star Wars 9 - 12/20/19
According to Box Office Mojo, and I don't know how up to date this is, Masters of the Universe opens 12/18, the film version of the musical Wicked will open 12/20 and on Christmas Day, The Call of the Wild, Superintelligence and SPA Animated Franchise II (whatever the hell that is) will open. This of course, being 18 months out, is subject to change, but unless Masters of the Universe is any kind of good, there's no real competition at the moment for Star Wars in the first week. Counterprogramming with Wicked and Superintelligence, sure. But no competition.
Star Wars 9 - 12/20/19
According to Box Office Mojo, and I don't know how up to date this is, Masters of the Universe opens 12/18, the film version of the musical Wicked will open 12/20 and on Christmas Day, The Call of the Wild, Superintelligence and SPA Animated Franchise II (whatever the hell that is) will open. This of course, being 18 months out, is subject to change, but unless Masters of the Universe is any kind of good, there's no real competition at the moment for Star Wars in the first week. Counterprogramming with Wicked and Superintelligence, sure. But no competition.
I don't think "quality" would sink Kennedy. Quality is subjective. Another box office failing and she will likely be forced into retirement.
Then you could have the same issue with a film about Ben Kenobi or Boba Fett or one of the guys who fired the Death Star laser. Regardless of who is making it.
The movie got new directors a month ago, it has no cast, and likely the script isn't done either.
There's no way it's making that date.
To Disney, that's failure, especially how Ron Howard is now blaming TLJ for spoiling the well to the point of keeping people away from Solo.
Since Hollywood seems to do nothing besides rest on franchises, there's rarely a franchise too far gone to try to salvage...eventually. That doesn't mean bad films don't temporarily tarnish a franchise, as the prequels certainly did, or the bad Star Trek movies did, or how Batman and Robin killed the Batman franchise until Christopher Nolan, etc...
So we're really not talking about killing franchises as much as IP owners seeing the value of those franchises degrade.
Not only that, the poor performance of SW films in particular overseas doesn't align with Hollywood's current global strategy. There's a lot of theories of why that is and some of them don't really have a solution.
On the internet everything sort of gets shifted towards hyperbole but there's no denying that Disney isn't happy with how the SW franchise is being stewarded at present.
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