Same here.
Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?
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I don't like those movies, but that's just unforgivable.
Just give them time, they'll do it too. This all comes from the same place, the ideas that fans own the source material, are owed something from the people who make it and that they know it better than the people who are making it. Which given enough time is actually made by fellow fans. Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, pretty much any franchise a few decades old are all being made by people who grew up as fans and were able to get into a position where they could work on it. I wonder if part of it is jealousy. The reaction to these fan writers generally seems nastier than with others. It's toxic and it's really what's killing Star Wars and other franchises. It isn't Kathleen Kennedy, Disney, SJWs, women, porgs, etc., it's a group of fans who think the entire world is trying to take away Star Wars from them and they will attack anyone and everyone they see as a threat and it is everyone who isn't exactly like them. They're doing everything they can to kill Star Wars because it isn't the Star Wars they grew up with, which isn't possible to make. They aren't remembering Star Wars, they're remembering childhood and they'll never be able to recreate that. So even assuming their delusions came true and Kennedy got fired, they would just hate whoever replaced her and the one who replaced them and so on until their hate filled lives finally end.
Are the X-Wing novels also bad?
I actually enjoyed the X-Wing books.
Interesting fact, a Vong episode was in very very early rough concept phase for Clone Wars before it was cancelled.
It was going to be an alien abduction themed episode, a Vong scout ship was going to come across some clones.
They wouldn't have been exactly the same as the books, i.e. they wouldn't have been 'outside' of the Force.
It was going to be an alien abduction themed episode, a Vong scout ship was going to come across some clones.
They wouldn't have been exactly the same as the books, i.e. they wouldn't have been 'outside' of the Force.
Stackpole's X-Wing novels and the standalone "I, Jedi" are two of the high points of the EU.
Most of the old EU bored me at best or downright annoyed me at worst.
Ah, Cade Skywalker. Such an irritating bore, that even Anakin came back just for the pleasure of dunking on him.
Anakin: Cade, I am your-
Cade: Fuck off old man. Can’t you see I’m moping?
Anakin: ...
Anakin: Now see here, you whiny little shit...
And for anyone who just had their curiosity piqued, rest assured: Cade was never again involved in anything even vaguely cool. And that series went for nearly five frigging years.
Anakin: Cade, I am your-
Cade: Fuck off old man. Can’t you see I’m moping?
Anakin: ...
Anakin: Now see here, you whiny little shit...
And for anyone who just had their curiosity piqued, rest assured: Cade was never again involved in anything even vaguely cool. And that series went for nearly five frigging years.
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Ping - lightbulb moment !
Were there a lot of Trekkies calling for Berman to be fired? I really don't remember but I think there were some but not a lot because a lot of his detractors thought it was just something that would happen inevitably (and many admitted they didn't know if someone else would do better).
She's been abandoned by her parents, spent much of her life alone on a world where she could literally form no friendships and trust no one, Finn lied to her (although she forgave him) and both of the men who might have become substitute father figures to her died in short order.
I think we can cut whoever posted your anonymous quote a little slack on the details.
Don't all critics and most viewers feel they are owed a good product in exchange for their money and time? Why is it an absurd idea that someone who has read or seen a lot of the source material for years would know more about it than someone hired to make a film?
To me the animus seems to be more to the people who admit they weren't big fans of the series before being hired for it (Berman and Abrams in ST, Singer for X-Men, kind of Burton for Batman and maybe Snyder for Superman). Braga and Orci/Kurtzman for ST seem rare when fan writers are pretty attacked.
The thing is, there's no real quality trend here. Fans doing crappy moves (Logan and Star Trek Nemesis) and non fans doing great (Meyer and Wrath of Khan) happen at about the same regularity. Then you have Someone like Moffat for Doctor Who, that starts out great and goes off the rails after he runs out of ideas.
Yes, but they don't devote their lives to tearing it apart. We've seen a lot of shitty shows and movies, so I quit watching them. I don't keep watching so I can complain about why it isn't better. I don't like The Expansion, but I have no desire to sit in the threads for it to shit on it and it's fans. That's the problem.
Why would you give a shit? An outside perspective could bring something new and create something great. Harve Bennett & Nicholas Meyer had never seen Star Trek before working on Wrath of Khan. Talented people are talented people, no matter if they're a fan or not. Love of a product doesn't make anyone more qualified to work on it.
They are owed a film they can watch, not ownership or control over the franchise or it's creative process, nor are they owed the right to behave the way we have seen from people recently if their own personal vision of the franchise isn't met.
As for knowing the franchise, possibly they would, but that doesn't necessarily lend itself to the best end product. Established fanbases are notoriously difficult to please with new material, just see the reaction every single time a new trek series is produced. No matter what film someone makes it will draw fire, no one will ever "get it right" and the world is becoming ever more open to people's toxic behaviour when they see a franchise or it's characters as belonging to them somehow. It doesn't, no matter how attached we are to it, not matter how much a part of our childhoods the OT were.
The new films are just that, films that are new and have to stand and fall on their own terms. The idea TLJ is a dreadful film or a deathknell for SW is patently ridiculous, if it were that fragile the prequels would have killed it years ago.
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