It is. They were the driving forces behind it creatively, and Feige oversaw it. So calling it Marvel Studios is fair. Calling it Sony is fair as well.
Man..You don't like being wrong about anything I've noticed, lol.
After TLJ, Is "Franchise Fatigue' now Plaguing Star Wars?
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It is. They were the driving forces behind it creatively, and Feige oversaw it. So calling it Marvel Studios is fair. Calling it Sony is fair as well.
Man..You don't like being wrong about anything I've noticed, lol.
Look at all the DCEU restructuring when BVS underperformed relative to expectations, something similar will happen here. Disney is definitely aware of the negative fan backlash to TLJ as well, and it's potential effect on brand damage and future installments.
If the backlash continues to build, we're bound to have new Lucafilm reps involved creatively with these projects, and Kennedy will be told to back off. The negative reactions to her online are starting to become significant, and we are living in an era now where online WOM could have a negative impact on a franchise. We're seeing it now.
People don't refer to The Dark Knight Trilogy as being Syncopy Pictures films or The Force Awakens as being a Bad Robot film.
Marvel Studios' role in Spider-Man Homecoming is as a secondary production studio, just as Syncopy and Bad Robot served as secondary production studios on The Dark Knight Trilogy and The Force Awakens, respectively.
Kathleen Kennedy may report to Bob Iger, but I'm not sure he can fire her directly based on the way that Lucasfilm is corporately structured, so the only way she would lose her position is if she surrendered it... and it would take a lot more than a tiny subset of whiny "fanboys" and Solo not doing well to make her consider doing so.
Sure, if he took all his money to the racetrack and quadrupled it.
BTW, I've seen someone post a fucking Grace Randolph video here. In the name of everything that's holy, don't do that again.
Feels good to see this franchise go down? I can understand if you don’t like Disney or even Kathleen Kennedy, but you want Star Wars to fade away?
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Um, no Marvel Studios produced and made the film. Sony paid for the entire production and kept the Box Office while Marvel Studios got the merchandising; but Sony DID NOT have a direct role in the actual production beyond financing it.
I had no idea she had her own YouTube channel, and basically only knew her for from the comic scene. Seeing people refer to her as some sort reliable insight into Hollywood amuses me.
I mean: even putting aside the fact that she is the very definition of ‘fan comes from ‘fanatic’’, her only actual experience is writing comics a decade ago. And whilst jobbing for the Big 4 is certainly an achievement, she wasn’t exactly an insanely successful and productive member of the main ‘stable.’ Gail Simone, Randolph was not.
She was also a ’shill’ for Marvel on one of their YouTube channels. And I mean ‘shill.’ Her bit was basically ‘Video hits’ for Marvel Comics. It was all about promotion, and it didn’t exactly pretend otherwise. Which is fine. Don’t know how she managed to spin it into ‘analysis and journalism!’ though.
Of course, there’s a reason she’s not connected to Marvel anymore. There’s just something about Twitter that makes people splurge their id all over their own face...
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She's also active at Boxofficetheory.com forums where she's basically a troll who doesn't get a lot of replies.
Aw. Now I feel sorta bad for her. Cos that’s a long way to fall.
There’s something about comic writers that seems to encourage these tumbles from grace. Probably the whole ‘inmates running the asylum’ thing they tend to have going on.
That, and the companies encouraging social media accounts for publicity.
It can be a bad combo.
There’s something about comic writers that seems to encourage these tumbles from grace. Probably the whole ‘inmates running the asylum’ thing they tend to have going on.
That, and the companies encouraging social media accounts for publicity.
It can be a bad combo.
You'd have to have your head buried in the sand if you think it's just a tiny inconsequential group that are upset with TLJ and the direction of SW under Kathleen.
The audience narrative for SW now is shifting quite negative, and Disney definitely does notice these things. Especially after the record drop-off rates for TLJ http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=36672177&postcount=845 , the terrible Toy and Merch sales for TLJ, and now the failing Solo movie. Audiences are becoming apathetic to this brand, and it's a direct result of the content that is being put out.
Yep.
Disney is generally awesome, especially how they've handled the Marvel Studios properties. Fantastic.
Kathleen Kennedy however.... she was the wrong person to continue the Skywalker legacy on film. She had her own ideas about what SW should be and didn't respond well to what fans would want. It's a shame that they've ruined any hope of seeing Luke, Han and Leia done well in the sequel films.
Meanwhile Kevin Feige, the opposite of Kathleen, is a fan of the source material, and it shows by how he handles the MCU films, and how well they've been received.
Okay that will be enough, please
Kevin Feige and his producing partner Amy Pascal reported directly to Sony Chairman Tom Rothman, who had final creative control over every decision - from casting to script to director choice - that Feige and Pascal were looking to make.
To say that "Sony had no role in the actual production beyond financing it" is just patently false.
Yay! More negative vloggers!
Solo didn’t do well. Okay. That’s too bad.
We can speculate until we’re blue in the face about WHY it happened or WHAT may happen next. But let me know when we get something beyond idle speculation. Because this kind of vlog is nothing less than rumor mongering and just hateful.
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I don't know if we are ever going to get a 'definitive' answer. To me, there seems to be several factors or possible culprits, including the alleged fan boycott at play here, but I can't say there's a smoking gun, and so that leaves it open to interpretation and also spinning, as each faction seeks to assert its version of the 'truth'. I think the box office for Episode IX and then I would say the next film or two after that will be good indicators of the long-term health of the Star Wars brand. Further, if there is an erosion or collapse when it comes to merchandising that could be a more immediate sign that the brand has gone astray.
I don't know if we are ever going to get a 'definitive' answer. To me, there seems to be several factors or possible culprits, including the alleged fan boycott at play here, but I can't say there's a smoking gun, and so that leaves it open to interpretation and also spinning, as each faction seeks to assert its version of the 'truth'. I think the box office for Episode IX and then I would say the next film or two after that will be good indicators of the long-term health of the Star Wars brand. Further, if there is an erosion or collapse when it comes to merchandising that could be a more immediate sign that the brand has gone astray.
"Whiny fanboys" the irony..
You are correct. I was really talking about all of the idle speculation of whether or not Iger wanted Kathleen Kennedy’s head on a pike. It is doubtful we’re ever going to find out why this happened. I still stand by the idea that those who have boycotted Solo is more of a vocal minority of entitled fanboys than a reality, but like I suggested, that’s total idle speculation.
Yes - Because Sony was PAYING for the film. But overall, they pretty much let Feige and Pascal do their thing.
