reminds me of Harve Bennett talking about the box office of Trek V and how he felt TNG had impacted it – something about having turkey sandwiches every week instead of just turkey every thanksgiving lol
After TLJ, Is "Franchise Fatigue' now Plaguing Star Wars?
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Oh, I'm sure it had nothing to do with that movie being unwatchable.
Nobody is saying it completely goes away. Only that it's cultural impact is lessonened. Of course it won't ever vanished t least not for a very very long time. Their os a difference though between liking something and loving it. Instead of being people's most favorite thing in the world it can easily just be something that kind of fun. I nice diversion until the next MCU movie comes out or whatever is the next big new thing. Maybe fewer casual fans and the fandom has shrunk more towards the hardcore fans or people simply into Sci-Fi. As for the stuff that isn't connected to the movies. I'm not sure how big that stuff is to people who aren't the major fans. I have never really bought a bunch of merc. I do want to watch "Clone Wars" but the fact that I haven't gotten around to just yet says something. The toys ae nice but I wonder how much non Classic stuff is big selling items. I'm kind of curious because i'm not sure. I bet BB-8 stuff sells alot but how about the other stuff? I watched that show on Netflix "The Toys that Made Us" I think it was called. It was hosted by the Dean from "Community." They were talking about how they were having to toss tons of Prequel stuff in the trash because it wouldn't sell.
Jason
Solo and TLJ merch seemed to do alright, at least in my area, since it was generally limited selection or bare shelves. Not fantastic, but not horrible either.
Solo Beyond
That's is one thing I wonder about. While even though the prequel stuff might not sale the new stuff from the new movies might do well. I think fans whatever issues they have with the new films have loved all the new droids and many of the ships and stuff of that nature. Old Luke from "TLJ" I think would make for a really cool doll or statue.
Jason
Yes, the negative backlash of The Last Jedi, which ... oh, wait, has a CinemaScore of A from audiences.
No, Solo is failing for four reasons:
1) Historically, Star Wars has been an "event" series. Cramming two movies six months apart from each other works for Marvel, but audiences are not used to that from Star Wars.
2) We didn't even get a teaser trailer until three months before the movie's release and the marketing push was halfhearted at best.
3) Early buzz was mediocre at best.
4) The movie was released in the wake of Infinity War and Deadpool 2, both of which are making a zillion dollars. It's a crowded marketplace and Fox absolutely punked Disney by moving Deadpool's date.
All of these are true, but I would definitely add the general lack of enthusiasm for the Solo standalone, both from fans and general audiences, from the moment it was announced.
I don’t think The Last Jedi reception is having any affect on Solo. The former may have split the fan base, but I couldn’t tell you why, and I’m not interested enough to find out, much like everyone else.
Solo isn’t a typical Star Wars movie, it’s not high stakes Empire v Rebels, it’s a fill in the blanks prequel. There’s nothing to be learned in that movie that hasn’t already waited 40 years to shown, another six months until the subscription streaming service shows it won’t hurt anything.
It just isn’t a must see movie, and that will be reflected at the box office register.
Solo isn’t a typical Star Wars movie, it’s not high stakes Empire v Rebels, it’s a fill in the blanks prequel. There’s nothing to be learned in that movie that hasn’t already waited 40 years to shown, another six months until the subscription streaming service shows it won’t hurt anything.
It just isn’t a must see movie, and that will be reflected at the box office register.
Yep, exactly. Hoping Disney sees this and realizes they can't treat SW like the Marvel movies in terms of the rate of releases. It's a franchise that needs breathing room. I wouldn't put it past them wanting to release new movies after the current trilogy is complete while we wait for a new trilogy though. They just bought the franchise and will want to use it.
A small part of what makes Marvel movies work is that the stories interconnect at different points. "Ant-Man and The Wasp" takes places before Infinity War and will likely end with setting up for "Avengers Part 4".
For Star Wars we go from episode 8 and then back 40 some years to Han Solo's origins. There's no need to see it. It has no purpose in the grand scheme of things. It's a cash grab.
I think that's a good point. I can't remember where I saw or read one reviewer who felt that before the big reveal in Solo was made they thought for a second that it might be Snoke. Solo could've been a film that filled in some backstory on Snoke, or even Rey's parentage. (Like some fan speculation that Jyn Erso might be Rey's mother when Rogue One came out).
Having, say Qi'ra, Beckett, Val, Lando, Dryden Vos say being one of Rey's parents would subvert what TLJ did, however since TLJ was revered for its subversion why not just re-subvert that subversion? I think it might have gotten more people talking and interested even more than the big left field surprise cameo did, which to me does add up to all that much in the long-run because we already know the future for said character. Replacing that character with Snoke, even though we know his future too, at least provides a little more backstory for the character and might mollify some disgruntlement out there over that TLJ twist.
I refuse to believe that subset of some people on some corner of the Internet is enough to cause Solo to have--by far--the lowest opening weekend of the Disney era.
Yeah, those voices might seem loud when you’re in their midst, but in the grand scheme of things..,
No, the vocal minority is hard to believe.
Isn't internet chatter though the modern version of "word of mouth" that use to help make older movies become bigger hits? If enough people complain, at some point people will believe. Also I wouldn't dismiss the fan reaction to "The Last Jedi" but I don't think that alone would be enough. I see it as several things sort of working in together:
1 The dislike of "The Last Jedi" for creative reasons.
2 Fatigue of maybe to much Star Wars
3 Sexism against Keanedy
4 creative reasons people don't think she is doing a good job
5 The behind the scenes drama with the first directors being fired.
6 Bad opening slot because of other blockbuster and to soon after the last SW film
7 Premise many people might not have been into seeing.
8 I guess this is connected to number 8 but people only have so much money. You might not be able to see all the films you want so people make choices.
Jason
Yup. Looks like the fan and audience backlash to The Last Jedi is real:
Feels good to see this franchise go down. It's sad that Kathleen Kennedy's direction has led here, but Star Wars can always be rebooted someday under someone who actually knows what they're doing.
This woman is going to get boo-ed off the stage at Star Wars celebration, should be hilarious.
