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Agents of SHIELD season 5

Turns out we were going to get a direct connection to the Infinity War ending...and it didn't happen because of the film's moved release date.

JEFF BELL: Part of what happened was, they changed the release date.

WHEDON: Yeah.

BELL: And we move at a different schedule than they do and so suddenly everything was a week earlier, and so we had to make some adjustments and that’s how we end up with our story.

WHEDON: Right. And the other thing is that there’s certain story points that are so — there would really be no way for us to address it and keep our show intact. Given that there’s another movie coming out, and there’s gonna be constant repercussions of their universe, so what we felt was that the safe play for our story, and for the integrity of our universe, was to operate outside of it.

BELL: To acknowledge it was happening, but that we had our own problems and we’re dealing with that.

WHEDON: Right, and also the timeline is a little bit fudged in that we assume that the last couple of episodes of our show take place during Infinity War. We’re running in a lot of real-time at the end of the season.

As much as I was anticipating the connection, I do agree with them that it's probably for the best that it didn't happen.
 
Really liked the ending of the season finale, but I'm thrilled that we're getting a sixth season. But yeah, if that would have been the series finale, it would have been GLORIOUS!

Really interesting that next season won't be until after Avengers 4. So that means they can just jump right in and get to their own story without haveing to worry much about the movie events. Nice, since it'll be a shorter season, no need to devote extra time to non-AOS stuff.

So I'm really hoping that Jemma is not pregnant. Because that would mean the father is dead. And when Frozen Fitz wakes up next season, his girlfriend will be pregnant with someone else's baby.
 
Clark Gregg on his involvement in season 6 and shooting the finale...

"I have a meeting with [executive producers] Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen and the showrunners and I know there is some interest in having me involved in this 13-episode season six. I don't know in what form that will take, whether that will be flashbacks or hopefully some sexy dreams that Melinda May is having. [Laughs.] That would be nice. But that's all I know so far. There is some desire that is going to be explained to me but it's why this finale is so deep and emotional.

"I knew by then that this was really a farewell to that character and his life. It was also before we knew anything about whether or not we were picked up so the scene where he is saying goodbye to people was a scene that we couldn't even rehearse or read aloud successfully. We just had to figure out where we were going to stand and start shooting it because it was just so emotional for me and everybody there."
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Of course, when one reads the above one should remember that around five years ago Gregg was vehemently denying involvement with the newly announced Agents of SHIELD show because "Coulson is cold on a slab" and didn't want to see Thor: The Dark World because he was afraid it would open with Thor giving Coulson a Viking funeral. He knows how to play the game.
 
Well, that was an emotional roller coaster, all right. I didn't really like everything about it, but it was a great episode, and would have made a grand finale if the show were cancelled. Things ended pretty well for all the main characters, story-wise-- even Fitz, who is lucky enough to have a spare self in cold storage.

Dramatically speaking, Coulson's story ended perfectly. When he prepared to leave, I expected him to hop into Lola and fly off into the sunset. But the show began with his resurrection (and the mystery surrounding it), so to end up on a beach in the real Tahiti with May, as his extra years of life drew to a close, was genius and I wish I thought of it.

And everybody ended up back on good terms again, which I would hardly have thought possible. There were lots of great character moments-- the biggest being Daisy's command decision to leave the command decisions to Mack-- but also YoYo coming to Coulson to explain herself and him agreeing with her decisions, as well as Mack's reaction to Fitz's death.

As for Fitz's death, I really hate it when they kill off a major character in the finale-- but in this case, maybe they had to. The original Fitz is out there in space somewhere with the android guy, which means he'd wake up in 75 years to a broken time loop and all his friends dead of old age, which means that he'd never have reason to figure out how to break the loop, which means that he'd never return to the present, which means that the Fitz who came back and died is just kind of a detached-in-time extra Fitz, which means that once the team realized that the original Fitz is out there and went to save him, they'd have two Fitzes. Ow, my head.

I didn't care much for the spaceship crashing into the city and crushing all those buildings, and probably killing thousands of people-- especially with Talbot responsible. And it's just a shame that poor Talbot was unrepentant to the end and had to be killed. That final scene of him drifting off into space, frozen and dead, was very sad. He deserved better than that. But that showdown between Daisy and Talbot was pretty epic, with lots of nice little touches-- like the ground cracking under Daisy and all the windows getting caught in Talbot's jet stream as he got flung out of the atmosphere.

After this, I don't feel so bad about waiting over a year for new episodes, because whatever happens next will be more like a sequel than just another season. I'm sure they'll find a way to save Coulson and I'm sure they'll locate Fitz-- although space is pretty big, so maybe that's why they need a thirteen-month hiatus. But this felt like a good way to end the story that began with Coulson's resurrection.
 
I'm calling it right now; Adrian Pasdar is the best General Zod since Terence Stamp. ;)

Seriously though, yes it's a shame how things turned out, but tragedy is a big part of drama and that's the only way it could go. The best villains are usually good people that are fighting for a just cause but loose sight of the priorities. Talbot was always an egotist, with more than a hint of megalomania, so him getting powers was never going to end well.

P.S. Am I the only one that had this playing in a loop in their head through most of his scenes? :)
 
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Anyway, just for fun I did some very quick and dirty back of the envelop calculations to roughly gauge just how powerful Quake is (when hopped up on centepede juice & mummy's DNA.)
Assuming what we saw does indeed mean Talbot's body hit escape velocity in under a second (that's 11.2 k/s, or mach 33!) and using a very rough average human body weight of 70kg (yes, technically he has the mass of at least 4 other people in there, plus the gravitonium, which would doubtlessly screw with any attempt to measure effective mass, but let's just go with this for now) that means a minimum energy output of about 4.39 GigaJoules at the point of contact. For context that's the equivalent of well over a ton of TNT going off, focused into an area no bigger than the palms of her hands.
Not even close to "destroyer of worlds" territory, but only an order of magnitude shy of a nuclear fission explosion.
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Hey moron, that calculation only works in a vacuum! To accelerate up to that velocity in an atmosphere would take considerably more energy. Honestly, some people thing they know science! :rolleyes: ;)

Seriously though, can Daisy absorb the energy from impacts now? It's the only reason I can think of that would account for how she wasn't street pizza after Graviton bodyslamed her from half a mile up. Wouldn't that also technically make her bullet proof?
 
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Seriously though, can Daisy absorb the energy from impacts now? It's the only reason I can think of that would account for how she wasn't street pizza after Graviton bodyslamed her from half a mile up. Wouldn't that also technically make her bullet proof?
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Daisy is as strong/powerful as the plot requires.
Anyway, some of the energy was transfered to blasting out the crater Daisy and Graviton ended up in.

I guess Graviton may yet survive in the vacuum of space through some gravitonium magic.
Like the idea that after the team finds Fitz, Jemma and Fitz can get married again.

Fitz getting killed reminded me of the idea from Futurama episode "Bender's Big Score" which state that time travel paradox duplicates are doomed to die prematurely :ack:
 
P Tom said:
Daisy is as strong/powerful as the plot requires.
Anyway, some of the energy was transfered to blasting out the crater Daisy and Graviton ended up in.
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It's not so much a matter of the magnitude of her powers as the way they work. So far as I can recall we've never seen her absorb or redirect kinetic energy before, so this appears to be new.
 
I just realized that Coulson slipped her the syringe in her gauntlets when he handed them to her. D'oh!
 
Emh said:
*pssst*

He means Farscape.
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Reverend said:
It's not so much a matter of the magnitude of her powers as the way they work. So far as I can recall we've never seen her absorb or redirect kinetic energy before, so this appears to be new.
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In season 4 she absorbed earthquakes when they were trying to stop Ghost Rider's crazy uncle.
 
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