Discovery Size Argument™ thread

According to Eaves, design work on the Enterprise started May last year. So months before the show started, but after the Shenzhou and Discovery.

 

Burnham certainly extolled the benefits of a stint about a Constitution class ship, but I get the impression that she only dropped the name "Enterprise" because it was the one Spock served on, hence the first one that came to mind

And because of fanservice

 

Yeah but why the Constitution class when we see so many other ships like the Europa.

What makes the Constitution class and specifically the Enterprise so much better than the rest, it doesn't have quite the pull to me it once had after seeing all the other ships in the show.

Perhaps we will find out next season.

 

Connies might be given special missions that other ships don't get.

They might be the Diplomatic ships or the Exploration ships.

 

I've never been a fan of the JJ-prise 700+m length, but in my old age I have come to peace with the fact that the size of the TOS E is too small for the interiors we see. I'm content with a 400-ish metre length, and believe it has always been about that big.

Truth be told, there is NO canon reference for the length, i.e. on-screen mention. That's really all that counts. The early writers' guide and Making-of book are "soft-canon", to coin a phrase from my other thread!

 

Mission role would be the primary rationale for Burnhams speech. In giving Tilly advice for how to move up the chain she just gave her a path that would be most lucrative for promotion/experience (probably from her own experiences/others she's known). So makes sense she'd advice Tilly to endeavor to get assigned down the road as a more senior officer to a ship that is conducting more specialized missions before gathering the experience/years to promote to her own personal command. From what we gather from just that short conversation, the captains history records, and TOS Constitution class ships are out conducting deep space missions beyond the borders of Federation space. They have a notable history with having distinguished captains, and even though they are not the largest ships in the fleet compared to others they are probably more advanced and mission specialized allowing for them to more efficiently tackle those long range missions.

As for size, coming in at a new ~450m the Connie is not too much smaller than the Walker, Shepard, Nimitz, or Cardenas classes (referencing the poster). On top of that mission role plays a huge part just as it does for modern naval powers. The Walker is clearly old and may have even been the previous generation of long range explorer before being outmoded by the Connie now being reduced to just local exploration/border-patrolling like the Shenzhou. The Shepard looks to be a destroyer/light cruiser that can zoom about quickly through federation space, and is more than likely the largest quantity produced and primary workhorse of Starfleet. The Cardenas looks like a heavier ship and is probably the guns of a fleet being the predecessor to the eventual Constellation Class. It may conduct similar missions to the Connie but with variations in mission role. Just like various fast attack sub classes do similar yet different missions dependent on load-outs and general capabilities. Finally the Nimitz looks to be the pride of the fleet more than likely being the battleship/carrier of the Federation. Probably only a few of them built commanded by flag officers for various duties including diplomatic missions, mainstaying a battlegroup/fleet, and of course parading about as regional symbols of Starfleet. Even though all of these ships are similar(ish) in size each can play a very different role with specializations that can only been seen under the hood. As for the Connie they're blazing trails into deep space going where no one has gone before.

 

Why is everyone assuming it’s 450 m?
It’ll be bigger

 

Did you somehow miss the size chart?

 

Must be the special bright jammies

 

Why is the millennium falcon on there
Size chart can’t be right

 

Looks like a Miranda to me.

 

Saw this on twitter, seems to match that big poster.

 

Its all we have got for the moment and matches what has been shown in other media.

So for now that's how big it is.

Yeah the Europa looks like a Miranda class with two extra nacelles and the Edison does indeed look like the Millennium Falcon for no real reason whatsoever, except it flies backwards.

To avoid any copyright issues I guess.

 

Seems that Eagle class that was missing from that another chart is there, and unfortunately it is yet another giant ship.

 

If enlarging a ship makes the interiors fit maybe it is justified. Just to have the main ship the Biggest of all Trek is not.

 

Are ships ever enlarged to make the interiors fit?

 

How big would the TOS Connie be if we account for the actual size of the hallways we saw in the show?

 

About 1500 feet, going by the MSD Doug Drexler make for "In a Mirror Darkly."

 

Right right, I remember now.

 

? Are the ceilings too tall? I've seen those "Strategic design" deck plans. It all seems legit there.