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Star Trek Discovery: The Future is Definitely Female

Serveaux said:
Matriarchial and matrilineal are different, but get confused sometimes in anthropological discussions.

Outside of the arctic, in most hunter-gatherer cultures the basic, reliable food supply is what is gathered. Hunting and fishing provide supplemental nutrition.
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And yet cultures that had access to animal based proteins tended to be the ones that were more dynamic. Nutrition had to be in play, there. You can spend thousands of years scraping starch out of sago palms, but apparently it is hard to build a civilization from it.
Civilization was going to be patriarchal for a variety of reasons, all of them practical for their time, and none of which have any real importance anymore.
 
XCV330 said:
And yet cultures that had access to animal based proteins tended to be the ones that were more dynamic. Nutrition had to be in play, there. You can spend thousands of years scraping starch out of sago palms, but apparently it is hard to build a civilization from it.
Civilization was going to be patriarchal for a variety of reasons, all of them practical for their time, and none of which have any real importance anymore.
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Unless we Nuke ourselves back to the Stone age again.. Looking at you Radioactive Mohenjo Daro ..
 
Shaka Zulu said:
Like many women do when something is brought up that they don't like?:vulcan:
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starsuperion said:
careful now, truth these days can unleash a backlash from the hive mind
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Hi, Hive Mind here. If you guys want to carry on with your meeting of the He Man Woman Haters Club, could you please do it somewhere else? Thanks.
 
Awesome Possum said:
Some guys are just deeply insecure. They know they’re weak so women in any position of power, even fiction ones remind them of that and they freak out.
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Holy shit.... I had no idea you were a Trans individual

Now I understand your perspective on identity politics and representation, and I'm not going to argue with it anymore.

I'm confident you'll get a Trans character on Discovery soon, as long as the showrunners have free reign. It's very much uncharted territory in this genre. I'm actually intrigued to see how it would be handled.
 
Locutus of Bored said:
Hi, Hive Mind here. If you guys want to carry on with your meeting of the He Man Woman Haters Club, could you please do it somewhere else? Thanks.
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Huh? You can't be Hive mind. They travel in packs only, like locusts..

I didn't say anything that's not true there. Sorry..not my problem buddy if you don't like reality. Says the guy in a fictional forum. LoL plus, I haven't read the whole forum, just saw a true statement, and wanted to warn that person that truth like that can't be tolerated by some. Especially those that are ahem...frozen vapor crystals.

Also how do you know I'm in the "He-man woman haters club"? Did you steal my wallet?? Thought I hid my membership card...

Lol just kidding. Wasn't trying to make it a big deal.
 
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Kane_Steel said:
Holy shit.... I had no idea you were a Trans individual

Now I understand your perspective on identity politics and representation, and I'm not going to argue with it anymore.

I'm confident you'll get a Trans character on Discovery soon, as long as the showrunners have free reign. It's very much uncharted territory in this genre. I'm actually intrigued to see how it would be handled.
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"Identity politics" is just basic human decency. I'm not sure why anyone can have a problem with it and consider themselves a decent human being.
 
XCV330 said:
And yet cultures that had access to animal based proteins tended to be the ones that were more dynamic.
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This is a massive oversimplification, of course they were more dynamic, they were ranging for food sources.

Prior to the advent of farming the primary role of animal based food sources was largely social, male status and thus reproductive potential was heavily tied into hunting success (and hence, providing). In most hunter gatherer societies all the evidence suggests that gathering would represent the greater net calorific income. This, however, would typically be subject to the law of diminishing returns where males and females were geographically sedentary given the limitations of any specific region as a plant based food source.

As you say, though, this is the very definition of anachronistic when applied to modern society.


Shaka Zulu said:
Like many women do when something is brought up that they don't like?:vulcan:
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Such as the overwhelming predominance of males in virtually every walk of life?
 
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Kane_Steel said:
Holy shit.... I had no idea you were a Trans individual

Now I understand your perspective on identity politics and representation, and I'm not going to argue with it anymore.

I'm confident you'll get a Trans character on Discovery soon, as long as the showrunners have free reign. It's very much uncharted territory in this genre. I'm actually intrigued to see how it would be handled.
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Speaking as a straight white cis male, this sort of condescending attitude is pretty uncomfortable to be associated with, it's part of the reason females in general and trans people in particular treat us with such caution and are so loathe to trust us.

As for trans women, no you and I can't assume we understand their perspective on the world. I consider myself lucky to have had an extraordinarily patient teacher and friend in that regard who has shown me that not only is the outlook and experience of trans people filtered through a totally different lens to ours, but the experience of transphobia is every bit as unique as that of sexism or racism.

I still get it wrong but I've come to realise that I'm the one who needs to learn and the only real way to begin to understand that perspective is to listen. We can't translate our own experiences as being a valid representation of other people's world view.

I hope you can take this constructively, but if you can't :shrug:.
 
Spot261 said:
Speaking as a straight white cis male, this sort of condescending attitude is embarrassing to be associated with, it's part of the reason females in general and trans people in particular treat us with such caution.
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Speaking as a female one gets tired of politically defined lectures of what is and what is not a condescending attitude from others regards feminism and agency. You are damn right we/I have a right to treat you/ it with caution.
 
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Refuge said:
Speaking as a female one gets tired of politically defined lectures of what is and what is not a condescending attitude from others regards feminism and agency. You are damn right we/I have a right to treat you/ it with caution.
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Naturally, but you and I both know that this response isn't about politics or identity or anything quite so relevant to the thread. In fact it's just another derail to continue a personal drama most people here are oblivious to.
 
So why not keep it there and not drag up a load of personal nonsense no one here cares about?
 
Kane_Steel said:
I'm confident you'll get a Trans character on Discovery soon, as long as the showrunners have free reign. It's very much uncharted territory in this genre. I'm actually intrigued to see how it would be handled.
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I think we have an opportunity there for Star Trek to actually live up to its hype. It's been deeply unprogressive while still getting back pats for brave new worlding, blech. Buffy had a gay lead relationship in the late 90s and meanwhile Star Trek just couldn't crank one out. Still riding on their "first interracial kiss" heinous nonsense and running scared.

Anyway. Seemingly in THE FUTURE we can make ourselves anything we want. I think people will be making gender choices without it being even notable. I still doubt Trek will go there, a gay relationship was great news for Star Trek but they are 2 decades behind the times. But they could. They could do it. They SHOULD do it.
 
teacake said:
I think we have an opportunity there for Star Trek to actually live up to its hype. It's been deeply unprogressive while still getting back pats for brave new worlding, blech. Buffy had a gay lead relationship in the late 90s and meanwhile Star Trek just couldn't crank one out. Still riding on their "first interracial kiss" heinous nonsense and running scared.

Anyway. Seemingly in THE FUTURE we can make ourselves anything we want. I think people will be making gender choices without it being even notable. I still doubt Trek will go there, a gay relationship was great news for Star Trek but they are 2 decades behind the times. But they could. They could do it. They SHOULD do it.
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Absolutely, trek has in many ways been resting on it's political laurels since TNG, to the point where when a new iteration tries to reestablish those roots people within the fan base actually react in ways that reflect exactly the social issues it is addressing.

In terms of the impact of representation in the current climate I personally would love to see a trans character onscreen.
 
Kane_Steel said:
Admiral Gender Studies.
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