Should Tyler be charged with Dr. Culber's murder?

[Shinzonfan]

I think with Tyler/Voq most of us are guilty of just seeing what we want to see, and constructing our own explanation that leads to the outcome we want. I liked the Tyler Character, but since he became transVoq I just want him gone. They can kill him, let him kill himself, or throw him out an airlock, it all works for me.

With that in mind, my interpretation of events was they took Tyler's skin off his dead body and wrapped it around Voq's bones (after mutilating Voq's bones to human proportions). Took some memory engrams from Tyler's dead brain and grafted them on to Voq's brain, suppressed some of Voq's consciousness allowing him to mimic Tyler.

We/Federation don't understand how L'Rell did any of this, the science is beyond us. I don't see how we can trust that her most recent actions have killed Voq and brought Tyler back to life, when we have every reason to believe that the remains of dead Tyler probably went to the Klingon version of biodegradable recycle waste collection.

 

[Silversmok3]

We should call him Lt Maru, first name Kobyashi. Because no solution exists for poor Voq Tyler’s condition.

Incarcerate/ execute Voq,and you victimize Tyler. Let Tyler go free and you gratify a murderer. About the only ethical solution here would be to send Voq Tyler to Daystrom in the hopes they can fix this mess and purge the Klingon identity, but without L’Rells help that’s not a sure solution either. And L’Rell doesn’t give a molecular damn about Lt. Tyler, so she’s not a reliable source.

 

[XCV330]

We should call him Lt Maru, first name Kobyashi. Because no solution exists for poor Voq Tyler’s condition.

Incarcerate/ execute Voq,and you victimize Tyler. Let Tyler go free and you gratify a murderer. About the only ethical solution here would be to send Voq Tyler to Daystrom in the hopes they can fix this mess and purge the Klingon identity, but without L’Rells help that’s not a sure solution either. And L’Rell doesn’t give a molecular damn about Lt. Tyler, so she’s not a reliable source.

TyVoq, as long as he is willing to share his insights, remains too good an intel source to let free or remove his memories

 

[Silversmok3]

TyVoq, as long as he is willing to share his insights, remains too good an intel source to let free or remove his memories

How much of that intel is reliable? Given his mentally altered condition ,he can’t be trusted. He may not even realize he’s feeding false intel to Starfleet in the process. ....

 

[XCV330]

How much of that intel is reliable? Given his mentally altered condition ,he can’t be trusted. He may not even realize he’s feeding false intel to Starfleet in the process. ....

That doesn't mean you throw the information away. Even compromised information is useful. especially if it can be corroborated.

 

[borgboy]

It seems pretty obvious to me he's a brainwashed Voq who has Tyler's memories.
Whoever he is though I don't understand why his murder of Hugh is going unpunished and he was free to walk the halls of Discovery before being set loose on the universe without so much as a trial or hearing.

 

[Noname Given]

In the US I think he would be changed and have to plead not guilty by mental defect.

IN DSC, we'll make him a senior officer on the most important ship in the fleet.

Kind of like Jean Luc Picard getting the 1701-D back (pluus a commendation) after destroying the combined Federation/Allied fleet in TNG: "The Best of Both Worlds", eh?

 

[Kor]

When the essence of a person (the software) is moved or copied into a new shell (the hardware) in the Trek universe, is it really that person any more?

Was Roger Korby in an android body really Roger Korby? When Ira Graves transferred his memories and personality to Data's positronic brain, was it really him?

Kor

 

[Tenacity]

At minimum, Tyler should be removed from Starfleet.

 

[Kor]

He was already removed from Starfleet.

Tilly said the following about TyVoq: "And those crimes are reprehensible, but Tyler is not the person who did that, at least he's he's not anymore. He is something other, someone new. [...] Michael, he's been stripped of his badge. He'll never fly for Starfleet again. He'll be lucky if he doesn't end up in a lab or a cell." (transcription source)

Since Starfleet is apparently letting him slip over to the Klingon Empire with L'Rell, then I guess he got lucky.

Kor

 

[Prax]

Picard would be comparable if it played out like this:

The Borg took a drone, and shaped him into replica of Picard. Then, download some of the memories from the real Jean Luc, and graft them onto the imposter. And finally, kill Picard and insert faux Picard onto the Enterprise with insidious orders hidden in his brain, but before he can carry them out, he kills Beverly Crusher in his quarters during their morning breakfast of croissants and tea.

I'm not sure Starfleet, after discovering all this, would put this Picard drone back in command of the enterprise. They would likely put him in a lab to try and discover the methods the borg used in the hope of developing a defense.

 

[borgboy]

When the essence of a person (the software) is moved or copied into a new shell (the hardware) in the Trek universe, is it really that person any more?

Was Roger Korby in an android body really Roger Korby? When Ira Graves transferred his memories and personality to Data's positronic brain, was it really him?

Kor

I didn’t think so - Chapel didn’t seem to think it was Korby.

 

[Kor]

Another point of comparison might be the duplicate O'Brien who thought he was the real McCoy. Er, you know what I mean.

Kor

 

[AlanC9]

Would there any point in a trial? Tyler doesn't need to be rehabilitated at this point, from what I can see, and deterrence doesn't make much sense on these very unusual facts.

That leaves... punishment for the sake of punishment? Is that what the Federation judicial system is about?

 

[borgboy]

Would there any point in a trial? Tyler doesn't need to be rehabilitated at this point, from what I can see, and deterrence doesn't make much sense on these very unusual facts.

That leaves... punishment for the sake of punishment? Is that what the Federation judicial system is about?

I am still re-thinking this whole scenario. There really needs at the least to be more exploration of who the person we've left with is in regards to Voq/Tyler. I'm thinking of him as still being the same man that murdered Culbert, just with his memories wiped. I don't trust him not to murder more people and betray the Federation. Maybe my perception is off but I don't know that anyone is completely clear on who he is since it's a poorly explained situation, and the fallout was rushed and largely ignored. It was pretty awful that Stamets had to see his partner's killer walking freely down the halls of the Discovery.
I just know that he's not the real Tyler, that man was murdered by the Klingons. I need more convincing that he's not just Voq with fake memories to accept he shouldn't be held culpable for murder, espionage and whatever else.
That Starfleet let him go so casually seems pretty unbelievable.

 

[Refuge]

He was already removed from Starfleet.

Tilly said the following about TyVoq: "And those crimes are reprehensible, but Tyler is not the person who did that, at least he's he's not anymore. He is something other, someone new. [...] Michael, he's been stripped of his badge. He'll never fly for Starfleet again. He'll be lucky if he doesn't end up in a lab or a cell." (transcription source)

Since Starfleet is apparently letting him slip over to the Klingon Empire with L'Rell, then I guess he got lucky.

Kor

Being stripped of rank found guilty of mutiny or murder means nothing on this show.

 

[thribs]

Yes he should be Hanged, drawn and quartered. Mainly for sounding like he has marbles in his mouth when talking Klingon.

 

[Vger23]

Being stripped of rank found guilty of mutiny or murder means nothing on this show.

Tell them to say "hi" to Kirk, Picard, Riker, Paris, etc.

 

[Vger23]

Yes he should be Hanged, drawn and quartered. Mainly for sounding like he has marbles in his mouth when talking Klingon.

I blame Javid Iqbal for that one.

 

[thribs]

Tell them to say "hi" to Kirk, Picard, Riker, Paris, etc.

Only people who are in charge of the Enterprise can get away with anything. That's common knowledge.