Star Trek is part of MCU

[Vger23]

Since I hate comic book movies and shows...I hope this never, ever happens.

Ever.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

After he was briefly awoken after the destruction of Vulcan, Khan used a transporter trick to merge caucasian skin pigment genes into his own, to change his appearance to the appearance of a character in his favorite old mystery novels.

 

[ITDUDE]

But connecting fantasy and sci-fi universes?

It won't stop X-Men (mutants) from coming to MCU (science and gods and magic already mixed together). Just wait a year or two tops for first official entry

 

[fireproof78]

It won't stop X-Men (mutants) from coming to MCU (science and gods and magic already mixed together). Just wait a year or two tops for first official entry

Didn't we already have gods?

 

[Emperor Norton]

The Omega Canon?

Lame...

It's like the Omega Glory, but with canon and not at all.

 

[Greg Cox]

As a kid, I always assumed that STAR TREK's transporters were based on the pioneering work of David Hedison in THE FLY. Really.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

As a kid, I always assumed that STAR TREK's transporters were based on the pioneering work of David Hedison in THE FLY. Really.

Debugged though, right?

 

[Greg Cox]

Debugged though, right?

One assumes they had flypaper in the transporter room somewhere.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

One assumes they had flypaper in the transporter room somewhere.

Maybe that's what those vertical strips were in the transporter chamber....

 

[Greg Cox]

Maybe that's what those vertical strips were in the transporter chamber....

Better safe than sorry!

 

[Ketrick]

Oops! I was going to enter this yesterday but it sort of got lost for a while.



Following the link: https://www.tor.com/2017/07/13/star...s-all-marvel-films-thanks-to-a-special-cameo/ We see that Kirk Thatcher who appeared as "punk on bus" in Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home also has a cameo in Spiderman: Homecoming, and the producer intended the two characters to be the same person, thus creating a direct one step link between the fictional universes of Star Trek and the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

In my post # 6, I also pointed out that Star Trek is alleged by many to be part of the Tommy Westphall or John Munch universe along with hundreds of other TV shows, no doubt including many of your most favorite and least favorite ones.

Some of the alleged links between Star Trek and other movies and TV series include Heisler Gold Ale, seen in Star Trek: Enterprise and other movies and TV shows, the aerospace company Yoyodyne that makes TNG era starship parts seen in Angel and The John Larroquette Show, and the beverage Slusho! seen in Alias, Heroes, and the movies Cloverfield and Star Trek (2009).

https://tv.avclub.com/scenes-from-the-munchiverse-21-links-between-unexpecte-1798232753

If a fan accepts the Tommy Westphall Universe theory they can say that since Boy Meets World is listed as a Tommy Westphall series, and since it's sequel Girl Meets World is part of the DCLAU, or Disney Channel Live Action Universe along with Jessie and there was a crossover between Jessie and Ultimate Spiderman, and since Ultimate Spiderman is part of the cartoon Marvel Universe along with other series based on the Marvel Comic Book Universe which in term is the inspiration for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the fictional universes of .Star Trek and and the Marvel Cinematic Universe were already (possibly) linked to each other and to many other fictional universes.

If the Tommy Westphall theory is accepted the linkage would be:

1) Star Trek: The Next Generation - 2) The John Larroquette Show - 3) Frasier - 4) Cheers - 5) St. Elsewhere - 6) The Bob Newhart Show - 7) Newhart - 8) Coach - 9) The Drew Carey Show - 10) The Hughleys - 11) The Parkers - 12) Moesha - 13) Clueless - 14) Sabrina the Teenage Witch - 15) Boy Meets World - 16) Girl Meets World - 17) Austin and Alley - 18) Jessie - 19) Ultimate Spider-Man - 20) hypothetical link between Ultimate Spider-Man and the universe of the Marvel comic books - 21) hypothetical link between the universe of the Marvel comic books and the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

The first fifteen come from here; http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/748/285/a24.jpg The links up to 19 come from here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Franchise/DisneyChannelLiveActionUniverse?from=Franchise.DCLAU

I suppose that if someone wants to badly enough they can think of ways to justify the last two links to reach the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Of course different people have different ideas about what evidence is strong enough to make two different TV series part of the same fictional universe.

This site: http://www.poobala.com/crossoverlist.html

Lists a much smaller group of shows that share the same universe with St. Elsewhere. It lists "only" 94 shows as part of Group 2. In fact it lists all the shows in the links above from 2) The John Larroquette Show to 9) The Drew Carey Show.

It also lists all the shows in the links above from 10) The Hughleys to 16) Girl Meets World in Group 30.

But it has no crossovers or links between any Star Trek series and The John Larroquette Show, or any crossovers or links between The Drew Carey Show and The Hughleys.

This site does include a Group 10 that includes 16 series including the first five Star Trek series. This is because of a link Between "The Changeling" and a Team Knight Rider (1997-1998) episode "Apocalypse Maybe" May 4, 1998.

http://www.poobala.com/standteam.html

Team Knight River (1997-1998) is a sequel to Knight Rider (1982-1986), which had other spin off series Code of Vengeance (1985-1986) and Knight Rider (2008-2009). The 2008 TV move Knight Rider, a plot for Knight Rider (2008-2009), was partially set in Las Vegas at the fictional Montecito Casino and Hotel. The fictional Montecito Casino and Hotel was the setting for Las Vegas (2003-2008). Las Vegas (2003-2008) had crossovers with Crossing Jordan (2001-2007), Medium (2005-2011), The Office (2005-2013), Passions (1999-2008), and Heroes (2006-2010) - which had a sequel Heroes Reborn (2015-2016).

Bernard Fox as witch Doctor Hubert Bombay from Bewitched (1964-1972) and Tabitha (1977-1978) appeared in two episodes of Passions (1999-2008).

Thus Group 10 includes: Bewitched (1964-1972), Star Trek (1966-1969), Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973-1974), Tabitha (1977-1978), Knight Rider (1982-1986), Code of Vengeance (1985-1986), Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994), Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-1999), Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001), Team Knight Rider (1997-1998), Passions (1999-2008), Star Trek: Enterprise (2001-2005), Crossing Jordan (2001-2007), Medium (2005-2011), The Office (2005-2013), Heroes (2006-2010), Knight Rider (2008-2009), Heroes Reborn (2015-2016), and Star Trek: Discovery (2017-).

I think that it might be good for writers of future Star Trek movies, episodes, books, comics, games, etc., to create more links with other shows in Group 10. And maybe to create links with TV shows that are not yet in Group 10 that would span some or all of the chronological gaps between when the shows were broadcast.

There was also a sort of crossover between Bewitched (1964-1972) and The Flintstones (1960-1966).

http://www.poobala.com/bewitchedandflintstones.html

Anyone who accepts that as a valid link might not have a problem accepting the alleged crossover between The Simpsons and The Flintstones (1960-1966).

http://www.poobala.com/flintstonesandsimpsons.html

The Simpsons are part of Group 40 with other animated programs.

There are also alleged crossovers between The Simpsons and several live action series. Someone who accepts the dubious crossover between Bewitched (1964-1972) and The Flintstones (1960-1966) could easily accept the crossover between The Simpsons and Cheers (1982-1993) which of course leads directly to St. Elsewhere and the 94 shows that share it's universe in Group 2, and the crossover between The Simpsons and 24 (2001-2010), and the crossover between The Simpsons and The X-Files (1993-2002) ((2015-), which is also part of Group 2.

A more simple way to link to Group 2, the 94 programs connected to St. Elsewhere, would be a direct link between a Group 10 program and a Group 2 program. In fact the charts for the Tommy Westphall Universe show a direct link between Crossing Jordan (2001-2007) and St. Elsewhere.

Crossing Jordan is clearly connected to Las Vegas according to this site:

http://tommywestphall.wikia.com/wiki/Crossing_Jordan

But it doesn't seem to give any other links with the Tommy Westphall universe.

Here it does mention a link between Crossing Jordan (2001-2007) and St. Elsewhere:



http://tommywestphall.wikia.com/wiki/St._Elsewhere

So those who accept that link will have Star Trek linked to the 94 TV series in Group 2.

It makes more sense for the connections between shows and movies to have more than one explanation. Some indeed probably are in the same universe. However, the example of the Star Trek Prime Universe and the Marvel Cinematic Universe makes more sense of being related universes in a multi-multiverse. Both Star Trek and Marvel are multiverses and while Punk on the bus/Punk on the street connect the two, there are too many differences for ST PU and the MCU to be the same universe. The aliens are different. The histories are different.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

Remember "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" (The COMIC, not the crap movie)?

Think of the storytelling possibilities if various sci-fi universes all existed in the same time/place. And characters all alive at the same time could interact. I give you...

LXG:2267

Commander John J. Adams (Forbidden Planet)
Friday
Citizen G'Kar
Andrew Martin (Bicentennial Man)
Spock
Leeloo Minaï Lekarariba-Lamina-Tchaï Ekbat De Sebat
Logan 5

 

[Klaa2]

Since no one else has suggested other fictional universes Star Trek might be connected to, I will suggest a remote possibility.

When Voyager started, Katherine Janeway was not the first fictional character with that surname I had ever heard of.

The Command (1954) had a character, Colonel Janeway, portrayed by Carl Benton Reid.

I don't know if any of the creators of Voyager thought of Colonel Janeway from The Command (1954) when deciding on the name of Janeway for their show's captain. Certainly I never noticed Janeway refer to any 19th century ancestor.

I can imagine a situation when Janeway was trying to persuade warring groups to make peace. She could have said that a few years ago her ship was chasing Chakotay's ship, and now they are on the same side, and that five hundred years ago one of her ancestors was fighting some of Chakotay's ancestors. Of course I don't know if any of Chakotay's ancestors in the 19th century would have lived in the the USA. A person can have a lot of ancestors belonging to many different ethic groups 500 years and 15 to 20 generations earlier. 32,768 ancestors 15 generations back and 1,048,576 20 generations back.

The Command (1954) was based on a Saturday Evening Post story by James Warner Bellah "White Invader" (1950), expanded into a novel Rear Guard. It was part of a series of stories by Bellah, mostly set at or near the fictional Fort Stark in the west.

This site http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/misc/Bellahtime.htm attempts to make a chronology of the events in the stories.

Many persons may be more familiar with other movies based loosely on other stories in the series: Fort Apache (1948), She Wore A Yellow Ribbon (1949), and Rio Grande (1950).

So it is possible there might someday be a fan fiction or an authorized Voyager novel in which Captain Janeway mentions a 19th century ancestor who fought in the Civil War and the Indian Wars. That would suggest that Voyager and all of Star Trek is in the same fictional universe as either the James Warner Bellah stories or else The Command (1954) and possibly other movies based on his stories. In either case that would put Star Trek in an alternate universe where the Indian Wars of the US west had a different history than in our timeline. But is already in an alternate universe that branched off from ours before 1966 anyway, due to various historical errors in various movies and episodes.

There are other fictional universes that are more strongly connected to Star Trek, and eventually I will mention them if nobody else does first.

• The Tolkienverse is part of Earth’s history, beginning with the creation.
• About the time of the Big Bang, Galan becomes Galactus, Devourer of Worlds.
• Coruscant comes into being, with the rest of that system. The Infinite Empire of the Rakata comes to power.
• The hadrosaurs flourish on Earth.
• The Chronicles of Narnia involve Earth, beginning in c. 1890, though the Last Judgement by Aslan occurs after the end of the Clark Ashton Smithverse.
• The R. E. Howardverse also involves Earth, beginning c. 100,000 BC. Kull’s Atlantis = Tolkien’s Numenor AKA Atalante, “the Downfallen”. Atlantis is the source of the dust in the three rings made by Uncle Andrew in the Narniaverse.
• Krypton explodes, and the infant Superman eventually comes to Earth.
• The Potterverse is set in our time and world, and the magic in it can be explained as an offshoot of the “magic” in the Tolkienverse. The Dark Magic in the Potterverse can also be connected to the Zothique stories, and to the Howardverse.
• Starship Troopers is set some way in the future of ours, and may be a response to First Contact in 2063.
• The events of Dune take place after 10,191 AD, and seems to imply access to coaxial warp drive, as shown in Voyager.
• The Zothique stories of Clark Ashton Smith take place very late in human history, concurrently with the last scenes of The Time Machine of H. G. Wells.

Everything can be related.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The events of Dune take place after 10,191 AD

My inner OCD voice is compelling me to correct this. I realize you said "after," but it's more precisely after "10,191 AG," where AG means After Guild, meaning after the formation of the Spacing Guild. 10,191 AG is approximately 23,352 AD.

http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Universal_Standard_Calendar

 

[Klaa2]

My inner OCD voice is compelling me to correct this. I realize you said "after," but it's more precisely after "10,191 AG," where AG means After Guild, meaning after the formation of the Spacing Guild. 10,191 AG is approximately 23,352 AD.

http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Universal_Standard_Calendar

Correction received with thanks

 

[Tracy Trek]

This reminds me of a question I saw on the Quora Q&A website. The question was about how the Star Trek universe could be connected to the ones for Star Wars, Stargate, Marvel universe, etc.

I'm not all that familiar with Marvel characters or stories but I was thinking that for Star Wars. It's set in a different galaxy (a long time ago and far, far away). So that one is easy.

For Stargate. Maybe some of the ancients of Stargate were the Preservers of Star Trek (were the Preservers the same ones as the aliens from the TNG episode The Chase?). If they were the ancients, they would have to be ones that didn't adhere to the non interference policy as most of the ancients did in the Stargate Universe. Also for a connected universe, Stargate's main villain, the Goa'ulds would have to have been wiped out to make it gel with the Star Trek universe. And all the different stargates would be hidden or buried.

In another thread I posted on this website where it was asked what kinds of crossovers one might like to see. I answered that Voyager finds a stargate in the Delta Quadrant. They figure out how it works and it connects to the one on earth in Antarctica that had previously never been found.

 

[Klaa2]

As a kid, I always assumed that STAR TREK's transporters were based on the pioneering work of David Hedison in THE FLY. Really.

The Delta Flyer is evidently modelled on Admiral Nelson’s marine runabout in VTTBOTS. One may not unreasonably postulate a connection to the Millennium Falcon.

I used to wonder why Julie Andrews was Mary Poppins, since she was a nun in Austria.

 

[Greg Cox]

The Delta Flyer is evidently modelled on Admiral Nelson’s marine runabout in VTTBOTS. One may not unreasonably postulate a connection to the Millennium Falcon.

I used to wonder why Julie Andrews was Mary Poppins, since she was a nun in Austria.

I always figured Mary Poppins hung out with Doctor Lao, when they weren't doing the magic do-gooder thing. Probably some way to work NANNY AND THE PROFESSOR in there somewhere, too.

 

[Tenacity]

And there's Spock's other ancestor. Amanda Grayson's great-great-great-grand whatever, Dick Grayson.

And then there's this ...

 

[MAGolding]

Well, of course, the DC and Marvel Universes have had many, many crossovers over the years, starting with 1976's Superman vs. The Amazing Spider-Man and most recently in 2003's long-awaited JLA/Avengers crossover. They don't really need Trek as connective tissue, since they're more connected to each other than either one is to Star Trek.

And they're all connected to the Wold Newton Universe, anyway.

Here is a list of battles between Marvel and DC comic superheroes:

https://www.cbr.com/marvel-vs-dc-their-15-most-epic-battles/

And here is a list of times that Marvel and DC comic superheroes have teamed up, often to fight supervillains from both publishing houses:

https://www.cbr.com/marvel-and-dc-16-times-their-heroes-teamed-up/

Wikipedia has a list of intercompany crossovers in comic books, mostly between DC and Marvel:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercompany_crossover

As that article says:

Some crossovers are part of canon. But most are outside of the continuity of a character's regular title or series of stories. They can be a joke, a gag, a dream sequence, or even a "what if" scenario (such as DC's Elseworlds).

Marvel/DC crossovers (which are mostly non-canon) include those where the characters live in alternate universes, as well as those where they share the "same" version of Earth. Some fans have posited a separate "Crossover Earth" for these adventures.[1] In the earliest licensed crossovers, the companies seemed to prefer shared world adventures. This was the approach for early intercompany crossovers, including 1976's Superman vs. the Amazing Spider-Man and 1981's Superman and Spider-Man.

Besides the two Superman/Spider-Man crossovers, a number of other DC/Marvel adventures take place on a "Crossover Earth", but later intercompany crossovers tend to present the DC and Marvel Universes as alternate realities, bridged when common foes make this desirable, as the interest in overall continuity has become a major part of even crossover comic books.[2]

I note that Marvel and DC have sometimes rebooted their comic lines. So even if one particular crossover was once canon in one or both series, it might not be anymore.

Therefore, comic book fans could have different opinions on the canonicity of crossovers. On one extreme, some comics fans might wish to claim that no crossovers were ever canon in any DC or Marvel continuity, and on the other extreme some comics fans might wish to claim that all crossovers are canon in every continuity of both Marvel and DC, and no doubt there are many possible positions in between.

Memory Beta lists a number of Star Trek crossovers, mostly in comic books, with some science fiction stories like Dr. Who and Planet of the Apes and with comic book superheroes.

Crossovers with Marvel Comics include Star Trek/X-Men: Star TreX, Star Trek: the Next Generation/X-Men: Second Contact, and the novel Star Trek: The Next Generation/X-Men: Planet X.

Crossovers with DC Comics include: Star Trek--Legion of Super-Heroes and Star Trek/Green Lantern: The Spectrum War.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_crossovers_with_other_properties

Therefore, whoever considers most or all DC/Marvel crossovers to be canonical probably also considers the Star Trek/DC and Star Trek/Marvel crossovers canonical. Thus they would consider the Star Trek universe(s) to be either be in the same universe as the Marvel and DC comic books or else believe that they are alternate or parallel universes in an inclusive multiverse. Since both DC and Marvel have multiverses, fitting them in with the Star Trek universe(s) in one multiverse would not be too difficult.

I note that Marvel and DC superheroes also appear in many other media such as radio, live action and animated television, live action and animated movies, movie serials, etc. And those versions of the comic book superheros can be considered either totally separate or else connected to to the comic book versions by being in different universes of one multiverse.

For example, the Ultimate Spider-Man animated TV series had a four part story "The Spider-Verse" on March 5, 2015, where Spider-Man and the Green Goblin travel to alternate universes and meet alternate Spider-heroes, and a crossover with Jessie in the Disney Channel Live Action Universe, "Halloween Night at the Museum" October 10, 2014, and "Return to the Spider-Verse" in September and October 2016. It would certainly be easy to believe that the Ultimate Spider-Man animated TV series could be in the same multiverse as Marvel comic books.

Therefore, some persons might consider any animated TV episode with DC superheroes to be within the same multiverse as DC comics, and thus possibly also with Star Trek. As I remember, the Green Lantern Corps appeared in the Duck Dodgers episode "The Green Loontern" October 18, 2003. Since Duck Dodgers is played by Daffy Duck, The Eager Young Space Cadet is played by Porky Pig, and Commander X-2 is played by Marvin the Martin, Duck Dodgers could be considered to be in the same fictional universe as other Warner Brothers animated movies and TV shows.

Thus Warner Brothers animated movies and TV shows could possibly be considered connected to Star Trek and in canon with Star Trek via a series of links: Star Trek - Star Trek/DC comics crossovers - DC Comics - animated versions of DC superheros - "The Green Loontern" - Duck Dodgers - Warner Brothers animated movies and TV shows.

Though I can't help thinking that any Star Trek fan who thought that it would be good for the believability of Star Trek for Star Trek to be connected to Warner Brothers animated movies and TV shows would be "Looney Tunes".