In my posts # 6 and # 11 in this thread I discussed various TV shows that might be connected to Star Trek in the Tommy Westphall universe and with a much smaller group of TV shows called Group 10 by someone with stricter rules for considering two TV shows to be in the same fictional universe.
As I said in post # 11:
Thus Group 10 includes: Bewitched (1964-1972), Star Trek (1966-1969), Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973-1974), Tabitha (1977-1978), Knight Rider (1982-1986), Code of Vengeance (1985-1986), Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994), Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-1999), Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001), Team Knight Rider (1997-1998), Passions (1999-2008), Star Trek: Enterprise (2001-2005), Crossing Jordan (2001-2007), Medium (2005-2011), The Office (2005-2013), Heroes (2006-2010), Knight Rider (2008-2009), Heroes Reborn (2015-2016), and Star Trek: Discovery (2017-).
And here is a link to a list of Tommy Westphall shows:
https://thetommywestphall.wordpress.com/the-master-list/
And it includes the Group 10 series Bewitched (1964-1972), Crossing Jordan (2001-2007), Heroes (2006-2010), Heroes Reborn (2015-2016), Knight Rider (1982-1986), Knight Rider (2008-2009), Passions (1999-2008), Medium (2005-2011), The Office (2005-2013), every live action Star Trek series except for Star Trek: Discovery (2017-), Tabitha (1977-1978), & Team Knight Rider (1997-1998).
So I wonder if the compiler of this list connected Star Trek to the Tommy Westphall Universe and then connected the other shows in Group 10 to Star Trek, or if he found a strong connection between one of the Group 10 shows and the Tommy Westphall Universe and then connected Star Trek and the other Group 10 shows to it. Does the creator of that list have good evidence to link Star Trek with the Tommy Westphall Universe?
Below is a discussion of another group of linked TV shows. So far I have found no connection to Star Trek, Group 10, or the Tommy Westphall Universe, but of course it would always be possible for the creators of future productions to make such a link in the future if they wished to.
In the CBS TV movie Kenny Rogers as The Gambler, 8 April 1980, gambler Brady Hawkes teams up with Billy Montana and meets his son Jeremiah Hawks, played by Ronnie Scribner, who was born July 23, 1966 and was 13 years, 8 months, and 15 days old when the show was broadcast.
The sequel, Kenny Rogers as the Gambler: The Adventure Continues, on 28 November 1983, could happen three years later. But Jeremiah is portrayed by Charles Fields, who was born 16 September 1971 and thus was 12 years, 2 months, and 12 days old on 28 November 1983, so I doubt if anyone intended for much fictional time to pass between the two TV movies.
In the last sequel, The Gambler V: Playing for Keeps, 2 October 1994, Jeremiah is played by Kris Kamm, born 29 November 1964, and thus aged 29 years, 10 months, and 4 days when it was broadcast. Going by the broadcast dates it should happen about 14 years after the first one, and going by the ages of the actors who play Jeremiah it should be about 16 or 17 years after the first movie. Jeremiah is involved with Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and Brady has to get him out of trouble. In real history Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid sailed for South America in 1901, but I don't know it they did so at the same date in reel history.
In Kenny Rogers as The Gambler Part III: The Legend Continues, 22 November 1987, Brady and Montana get involved in troubles at the Sioux Reservation and show that the series happens in an alternate universe, as they prevent the killing of Sittung Bull (15 December 1890) and the Wounded Knee Massacre (29 December 1890) thus making a less interesting but more peaceful history. So the fictional date should be about 1890 if reel history is close to real history.
In The Gambler Returns: The Luck of the Draw, 3 November 1991, there is apparently a fictional date of 1906, which would make it 15 or 16 years after the previous entry in the series if that previous one was close to the historic date.
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gambler_(film_series)#The_Gambler_Returns:_The_Luck_of_the_Draw_.281991.29
Brady Hawks heads to San Francisco to play in a poker tournament in honor of "the late Mr. Paladin", thus putting it in the same fictional universe as Have Gun, Will Travel (1957-1963).
Brady Hawks encounters a number of fictional characters from western TV shows played by their original actors.
If the number of years since those shows were broadcast corresponds to how long their fictional dates were before 1906, we can calculate the fictional dates of those shows.
Gene Barry's Bat Masterson (1958-1961) would happen from 1873-1876.
Chuck Connors and Johnny Crawford's The Rifleman (1958-1963) would happen from 1873-1878.
Brian Keith's The Westerner (1960) would happen in 1875.
David Carradine's Kung Fur (1972-1975) would happen from 1888-1891.
Hugh O'Brian's The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp (1955-1961) would happen from 1870-1876. Note the 2nd season episode "Dull Knife Strikes for Freedom" is based on a 1878 incident and the second to last episode "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral" is based on a 26 October 1881 event.
Judge Roy Bean (1955-1956) would happen from 1870-1871 - though Roy Bean was portrayed by Edgar Buchanan in the TV series and by Brad Sullivan here.
Clint Walker's Cheyenne (1955-1963) would happen from 1870-1878. Note the 4th season two part episode "Gold, Glory and Custer" has explicit dates in 1874 and 1876.
James Drury and Doug McClure play characters named Jim and Doug who are said to be thinly disguised versions of their characters in The Virginian (1962-1971), which might possibly date The Virginian (1962-1971) to 1877-1886.
Jack Kelly's Maverick (1957-1962) would happen from 1872 to 1877. Note that the first season episode "The Jeweled Gun" is explicitly dated to May, 1876.
"Hadley's HUnters" (25 September 1960), the second episode in season four of Maverick (1957-1962) has brief crossovers with Dan Troop and Johnny McKay from Lawman (1958-1962), Cheyenne Bodie from Cheyenne (1955-1963), Tom Brewster from Sugerfoot (1957-1961), Bronco Layne from Bronco (1958-1962), and the empty office of Christopher Colt from Colt.45 (1957-1960). Thus all those shows should happen in the 1870s and/or early 1880s.
The TV movie The New Maverick on 3 September 1978 had Bret, Bart, and Ben Maverick, son of their cousin Beau Maverick. Judging by the broadcast dates, it should happen about 16 years after the last Maverick episode. The series Young Maverick in 1979 should happen about 17 years after the last Maverick episode. The series Bret Maverick in 1981-1982 should happen about 19 to 20 years after the last Maverick episode and thus in the 1890s.
No doubt fans of those shows could find much evidence for or against those calculated dates.
So together all those shows present a big batch of fictional western history. But so far I have not found any of them listed in the Tommy Westphall Universe and thus possibly linked to Star Trek. But it is always possible for creators of future Star Trek productions or future productions more or less in the the Tommy Westphall Universe to put in some link to this block of TV shows.
July 27, 2018 - today I learned that Barbara Hambly's Star Trek novel Ishmael (1985) does contain links to many science fiction movies and tv shows and also westerns like Have Gun Will Travel, Maverick, The Rifleman, etc. And thus this group of western TV shows is linked with the universe of Star Trek novels.
As I said in post # 11:
Thus Group 10 includes: Bewitched (1964-1972), Star Trek (1966-1969), Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973-1974), Tabitha (1977-1978), Knight Rider (1982-1986), Code of Vengeance (1985-1986), Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987-1994), Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993-1999), Star Trek: Voyager (1995-2001), Team Knight Rider (1997-1998), Passions (1999-2008), Star Trek: Enterprise (2001-2005), Crossing Jordan (2001-2007), Medium (2005-2011), The Office (2005-2013), Heroes (2006-2010), Knight Rider (2008-2009), Heroes Reborn (2015-2016), and Star Trek: Discovery (2017-).
And here is a link to a list of Tommy Westphall shows:
https://thetommywestphall.wordpress.com/the-master-list/
And it includes the Group 10 series Bewitched (1964-1972), Crossing Jordan (2001-2007), Heroes (2006-2010), Heroes Reborn (2015-2016), Knight Rider (1982-1986), Knight Rider (2008-2009), Passions (1999-2008), Medium (2005-2011), The Office (2005-2013), every live action Star Trek series except for Star Trek: Discovery (2017-), Tabitha (1977-1978), & Team Knight Rider (1997-1998).
So I wonder if the compiler of this list connected Star Trek to the Tommy Westphall Universe and then connected the other shows in Group 10 to Star Trek, or if he found a strong connection between one of the Group 10 shows and the Tommy Westphall Universe and then connected Star Trek and the other Group 10 shows to it. Does the creator of that list have good evidence to link Star Trek with the Tommy Westphall Universe?
Below is a discussion of another group of linked TV shows. So far I have found no connection to Star Trek, Group 10, or the Tommy Westphall Universe, but of course it would always be possible for the creators of future productions to make such a link in the future if they wished to.
In the CBS TV movie Kenny Rogers as The Gambler, 8 April 1980, gambler Brady Hawkes teams up with Billy Montana and meets his son Jeremiah Hawks, played by Ronnie Scribner, who was born July 23, 1966 and was 13 years, 8 months, and 15 days old when the show was broadcast.
The sequel, Kenny Rogers as the Gambler: The Adventure Continues, on 28 November 1983, could happen three years later. But Jeremiah is portrayed by Charles Fields, who was born 16 September 1971 and thus was 12 years, 2 months, and 12 days old on 28 November 1983, so I doubt if anyone intended for much fictional time to pass between the two TV movies.
In the last sequel, The Gambler V: Playing for Keeps, 2 October 1994, Jeremiah is played by Kris Kamm, born 29 November 1964, and thus aged 29 years, 10 months, and 4 days when it was broadcast. Going by the broadcast dates it should happen about 14 years after the first one, and going by the ages of the actors who play Jeremiah it should be about 16 or 17 years after the first movie. Jeremiah is involved with Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and Brady has to get him out of trouble. In real history Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid sailed for South America in 1901, but I don't know it they did so at the same date in reel history.
In Kenny Rogers as The Gambler Part III: The Legend Continues, 22 November 1987, Brady and Montana get involved in troubles at the Sioux Reservation and show that the series happens in an alternate universe, as they prevent the killing of Sittung Bull (15 December 1890) and the Wounded Knee Massacre (29 December 1890) thus making a less interesting but more peaceful history. So the fictional date should be about 1890 if reel history is close to real history.
In The Gambler Returns: The Luck of the Draw, 3 November 1991, there is apparently a fictional date of 1906, which would make it 15 or 16 years after the previous entry in the series if that previous one was close to the historic date.
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gambler_(film_series)#The_Gambler_Returns:_The_Luck_of_the_Draw_.281991.29
Brady Hawks heads to San Francisco to play in a poker tournament in honor of "the late Mr. Paladin", thus putting it in the same fictional universe as Have Gun, Will Travel (1957-1963).
Brady Hawks encounters a number of fictional characters from western TV shows played by their original actors.
If the number of years since those shows were broadcast corresponds to how long their fictional dates were before 1906, we can calculate the fictional dates of those shows.
Gene Barry's Bat Masterson (1958-1961) would happen from 1873-1876.
Chuck Connors and Johnny Crawford's The Rifleman (1958-1963) would happen from 1873-1878.
Brian Keith's The Westerner (1960) would happen in 1875.
David Carradine's Kung Fur (1972-1975) would happen from 1888-1891.
Hugh O'Brian's The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp (1955-1961) would happen from 1870-1876. Note the 2nd season episode "Dull Knife Strikes for Freedom" is based on a 1878 incident and the second to last episode "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral" is based on a 26 October 1881 event.
Judge Roy Bean (1955-1956) would happen from 1870-1871 - though Roy Bean was portrayed by Edgar Buchanan in the TV series and by Brad Sullivan here.
Clint Walker's Cheyenne (1955-1963) would happen from 1870-1878. Note the 4th season two part episode "Gold, Glory and Custer" has explicit dates in 1874 and 1876.
James Drury and Doug McClure play characters named Jim and Doug who are said to be thinly disguised versions of their characters in The Virginian (1962-1971), which might possibly date The Virginian (1962-1971) to 1877-1886.
Jack Kelly's Maverick (1957-1962) would happen from 1872 to 1877. Note that the first season episode "The Jeweled Gun" is explicitly dated to May, 1876.
"Hadley's HUnters" (25 September 1960), the second episode in season four of Maverick (1957-1962) has brief crossovers with Dan Troop and Johnny McKay from Lawman (1958-1962), Cheyenne Bodie from Cheyenne (1955-1963), Tom Brewster from Sugerfoot (1957-1961), Bronco Layne from Bronco (1958-1962), and the empty office of Christopher Colt from Colt.45 (1957-1960). Thus all those shows should happen in the 1870s and/or early 1880s.
The TV movie The New Maverick on 3 September 1978 had Bret, Bart, and Ben Maverick, son of their cousin Beau Maverick. Judging by the broadcast dates, it should happen about 16 years after the last Maverick episode. The series Young Maverick in 1979 should happen about 17 years after the last Maverick episode. The series Bret Maverick in 1981-1982 should happen about 19 to 20 years after the last Maverick episode and thus in the 1890s.
No doubt fans of those shows could find much evidence for or against those calculated dates.
So together all those shows present a big batch of fictional western history. But so far I have not found any of them listed in the Tommy Westphall Universe and thus possibly linked to Star Trek. But it is always possible for creators of future Star Trek productions or future productions more or less in the the Tommy Westphall Universe to put in some link to this block of TV shows.
July 27, 2018 - today I learned that Barbara Hambly's Star Trek novel Ishmael (1985) does contain links to many science fiction movies and tv shows and also westerns like Have Gun Will Travel, Maverick, The Rifleman, etc. And thus this group of western TV shows is linked with the universe of Star Trek novels.
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