Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[rahullak]

Discovery isn't ruined for me in any way by being a reboot Trek universe. I love Gotham, but I don't try and force it to be a prequel to any of the Batman movies.

There's plenty of people who consider the show to be as the producers have said it is: a prequel set in the Prime Universe. In fact, I would say more than the ones who in their own heads don't like it to be considered as Star Trek or in the Prime Universe.

End of the day, the show makes money, it gets to be on air and spawn further shows. And if the show has to appeal to the modern audience and be this way, then that's the way it's gonna be. If you don't like the show as it is, really, you're railing against what millions of others like or would like today. I'm sure we'll see more TV shows coming up in the next few decades which we won't like because they would appeal to the young people then, and we would be oldies lamenting how shows just don't do it right anymore.

Art is a dictatorship and needs money to survive. Any amount of head canonizing isn't gonna change that.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Butters]

What we need, is an updated edition of the Encyclopaedia, with an entry for Sarek, for example having being played by 3 or so actors, and a picture of each. Like with Savik, Cochran would have two images too, and Kirk, bones, Spock...


An Entry for the Prime Enterprise, and each image could be captioned along the lines of , how she appeared in DSC, how she appeared in TOS, TMP etc, and a separate entry for the Kelvinverse.

Likewise the Klingons, with nods to makeup changes, exactly like the first edition.

 

[fireproof78]

Sure, it's a reboot and if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon.

Different uniform? New perm?

Those Vulcans all look the same to me!

What are you? Section 31?

 

[Jesse1066]

There's plenty of people who consider the show to be as the producers have said it is: a prequel set in the Prime Universe. In fact, I would say more than the ones who in their own heads don't like it to be considered as Star Trek or in the Prime Universe.

We should have a poll to find out for sure!

 

[BillJ]

What we need, is an updated edition of the Encyclopaedia, with an entry for Sarek, for example having being played by 3 or so actors, and a picture of each. Like with Savik, Cochran would have two images too, and Kirk, bones, Spock...


An Entry for the Prime Enterprise, and each image could be captioned along the lines of , how she appeared in DSC, how she appeared in TOS, TMP etc, and a separate entry for the Kelvinverse.

I think that would just further reinforce the idea that that are separate entities in separate timelines.

 

[lawman]

You can rage that TNG's Enterprise-D's 6 foot model has astonishingly different proportions than the 4 foot-model...

It's interesting to me how often people bring this up. I swear to god, I have never noticed this difference. Short of someone providing annotated side-by-side screenshots, I honestly don't know what the distinction is.

Just like I couldn't figure this out:

Yeah, why did her uniform collar color change?

Seriously, though... cast changes are one of those things that are just inherent to filmed entertainment. They're usually out of the control of the producers, and audiences tend to understand that and roll with it. People may or may not like James Frain's performance as Sarek, but nobody's complaining that it's not Mark Lenard, because, obviously, Mark Lenard was very unavailable. It's just not the same kind of thing as deliberate changes in designs.

 

[fireproof78]

Seriously, though... cast changes are one of those things that are just inherent to filmed entertainment. They're usually out of the control of the producers, and audiences tend to understand that and roll with it. People may or may not like James Frain's performance as Sarek, but nobody's complaining that it's not Mark Lenard, because, obviously, Mark Lenard was very unavailable. It's just not the same kind of thing as deliberate changes in designs.

Designers changing designs are one of those things inherent in a visual medium. People may or may not like it, but it's part of the industry.

 

[lawman]

Designers like to do their own thing, yeah. But the changes they make aren't usually conspicuous changes to established sets and props in an established show (or franchise, or other property), especially not without any explanation in the narrative. There really seem to have been some crossed wires on DSC between the people who wanted to do a prequel, and the ones who wanted to do a Whole New Thing.

 

[fireproof78]

Designers like to do their own thing, yeah. But the changes they make aren't usually conspicuous changes to established sets and props in an established show (or franchise, or other property), especially not without any explanation in the narrative. There really seem to have been some crossed wires on DSC between the people who wanted to do a prequel, and the ones who wanted to do a Whole New Thing.

Possibly, but TMP did it to, and yes, I will continue on that because there was zero explanation for uniforms and tech. It was done because the production had more money.

Changes are conspicuous in properties all the time, from Batman, to Halo and even Farscape when they had a miniseries.

Still the same characters, universe, and events. Just tech updates, money updates, etc.

 

[cooleddie74]

But Kirstie's eyebrows.

#NotMySaavik

 

[Awesome Possum]

To me Discovery looks exactly where I’d expect the design and technology from Enterprise to develop after a century combined with advances made in the real world. It would be silly to expect the old TOS set. It’s a beautiful design for its time, but that was fifty years ago. People try to drag in Doctor Who as a comparison, but there are different tones for the shows and even Doctor Who bringing out old designs are fairly tongue in cheek. The current Doctor mocks the old design and the old Doctor is shocked at how it’s been changed. Even the old designs of aliens are modified slightly to work better in HD and they are one off episodes, usually on some anniversary or finale. The Doctor is never going to spend a whole season in the classic Tardis console room. It’s fun to see it show up, but it’s not going to stay.

We might see some variation of the Cage uniforms for the Enterprise crew when we see them. Maybe a cross between it and the Kelvin timeline uniforms. The layout of the bridge will probably be the same but with better looking panels and screens.

It doesn’t mean it’s a different timeline, it’s just that designs change. Star Trek is not history that is set in stone. It’s a work of fiction that made be molded and shaped into new forms and we should want that.

 

[Vger23]

It's in the same timeline.

No...wait. It's not.


Oh, piss off.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The way I see it, it's a Prime Time-Linve Divergence due to all the Time-Travel Non-sense from the Kelvin/JJ-verse & Enterprise.

It's not pure "Prime-TimeLine".

It's Prime-ReFactored with all the Time Travel non-sense and this is what we get.

 

[fireproof78]

It doesn’t mean it’s a different timeline, it’s just that designs change. Star Trek is not history that is set in stone. It’s a work of fiction that made be molded and shaped into new forms and we should want that.

This part is the one that often surprises me. I once heard someone describe Star Trek as a best friend from college that everyone expects to stay the same. Yet, reasonably, if they are a friend, expecting growth and change would be a positive thing.

But, since Star Trek produces the warm fuzzies of nostalgia, change is regarded as negative. And, let me be clear, I don't just expect changes that "improve" upon the design. Change cannot guarantee improvement. That doesn't mean that change shouldn't be tried.

 

[Awesome Possum]

If Star Trek never changed we would have never gotten TNG or DS9 or the movies.

 

[fireproof78]

If Star Trek never changed we would have never gotten TNG or DS9 or the movies.

Those changes are only acceptable once the new thing to hate appears.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Once there is another spin-off Discovery will be seen as a bold new Trek that the new one should aspire to be. I've been on this board long enough to happen with Voyager and Enterprise.

 

[lawman]

With Voyager? There are people who look back on that as something to aspire to? Umm, I am skeptical...

 

[Butters]

Once there is another spin-off Discovery will be seen as a bold new Trek that the new one should aspire to be. I've been on this board long enough to happen with Voyager and Enterprise.

Me too. I remember when a sub forum was opened up to speculate on Series 5. The same arguments and counter arguments over and again. The circle of life.

 

[roneill]

even Doctor Who bringing out old designs are fairly tongue in cheek. The current Doctor mocks the old design and the old Doctor is shocked at how it’s been changed. Even the old designs of aliens are modified slightly to work better in HD and they are one off episodes, usually on some anniversary or finale.

Not sure I'd agree with that. The original Tenth Planet cybermen were brought back last series and they weren't tongue-in-cheek. The Daleks have never really changed. The original TARDIS console room appeared in a couple of episodes before the most recent Christmas special - not mocked as far as I can recall. I could provide more examples but I think you get the point. Also, bringing back old monsters is not just something Doctor Who does on an anniversary or finale. From memory the Ice Warriors and the Zygons both appeared in recent series. Both in line with what had been seen before, not in anniversary episodes or finales, not tongue-in-cheek.,