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How does DS9 say that? All I remember was the leader of the Tal Shiar saying things that were contradicted by ENT, and other characters making assertions who either wouldn't really know anyway or who had a vested interest in covering up. What else was there besides unreliable narrators?
The bolded part is a pretty safe bet, seeing as how he represents a rogue genocidal organization and is trying to recruit a rogue genocidal individual to his cause. Were you expecting Section 31 to be depicted as the good guys?
And how was Lorca killed unceremoniously? He got an entire arc focusing on his heel turn and was thrown into an artificial star after a badass brawl where he briefly took over an evil Empire. It's hard to think of a more grand exit than that.
And for that matter, with his dissolving into the shroom star and becoming one with the mushtrix, it's not even clear that he won't be back at some point, either with his MU persona or if they somehow find his prime universe version still alive.
Eh, it's a 100 years later. A lot can happen.
Whoever this mysterious and handsome poster is, he deserves a hefty monetary gift.
I'm beginning to think that almost everyone on DS9 was Section 31, and they were all just snickering behind Bashir's back.
And yet, a surprising majority of people guessed the Black Badges were Section 31. I even guessed it in this post back in February which I noticed you shot down.
*Insert Quark/Garak Root Beer scene*
People still get sick. And the healthcare is hardly free.
"Free" healthcare really means spending endless hours on end in waiting rooms of understaffed hospital ERs.
in the federation exist medical hologram
Which requires energy to function.
Because they turned Lorca into a one-dimensional cartoon moustache twirling villain with the twist. Make the empire great again. The producers were intentional with that.
Section 31, when done right, should not be portrayed as cartoony one-dimensional villains...... Section 31 are anti-heroes, morally gray. Very similar to Garak.
Anyway, this guy is going to be canonfodder. Likely killed by one of the women on the show. So no point caring.
I would point out you spelled cannonfodder wrong, but canonfodder is an intriguing concept which I suspect will become a thing before long.
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People in the Federation get sick.
And Star Trek would hardly be anything remotely utopian if people couldn't afford to pay for their own health care. So hopefully there wouldn't be any incredible expensive "free" health care.
My impression is that EMH's are new, rare and used only as a last resort. And so would have no impact on the health care of the average person.
People in the Federation get sick.
And Star Trek would hardly be anything remotely utopian if people couldn't afford to pay for their own health care. So hopefully there wouldn't be any incredible expensive "free" health care.
Pretty sure the writers didn't know what black badges were for. Or they did and they just changed them when Fuller left. The badges sure looked like were set-up to look like Top Secret Clearance badges that would be related to experiments on the `shroom drive. Black badges, black alert. Black badges went away as soon as existence of `shroom drive became common knowledge, so there was no longer a reason for Top Secret Clearance badges. And now they are back. Could it be that Black Badges are not specifically for Section 31, but that Black Badges are general purpose Top Secret Clearance badges and you need to have Top Secret Clearance to be part of Section 31?
Now, let's not be logical here...
Why not? I cared about Captain Robau, George Kirk, Paris' unborn child, and a wide variety of other characters in Star Trek before. So, why is this guy different?
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Of course it is. It's the Federation; all the necessities of life are free. Food, shelter, clothing, education, health care, and so on. After all, it's a post-scarcity society: clean energy is plentiful, matter replication is not only possible but quick and easy. Most health care probably doesn't even require the involvement of trained human (or sapient) medical providers... and if you do need one of those, they're likely in plentiful supply as well.
I don't understand your reasoning here at all. Any society in which basic necessities are "expensive" is clearly not utopian. The Federation is not a capitalist society, and has never been depicted as one; the concept of "expensive" doesn't really apply. Only a handful of special commodities qualify as anything resembling "scarce" (e.g., dilithium).
Just because they're fictional doesn't make them any less significant within the confines of the universe. They've been shown to be hard to find, difficult - even pernicious - to extract and process, and of finite quantity. That's like the definition of scarcity. Hell, they dedicated a whole film to the potential catastrophic and existential repercussions of a society losing its main source of dilithium.
And, as I always point out when one of these silly arguments arises, you can't replicate dilithium or deuterium or whatever the hell else the wegottafindit of the week is.
Which brings us back to J.'s initial point. To maintain the illusion of paradise on Earth, the Federation has to get that stuff from somewhere. They're passing the buck. So while a dumbass on Earth who broke his arm orbital skydiving can transport into any corner clinic and get it mended for "free," someone is paying the tab. And those usual "someones" are the newly embraced societies with whom the Fed extends a hand of friendship.
Not at all. There literally is no tab. That's what "post-scarcity" means. The abundant energy and physical goods on Earth and other Federation worlds don't rely on human labor, nor do they rely on dilithium or any other scare substance. Even warp engines don't rely on dilithium (Cochrane certainly didn't have any). The only thing the Federation uses it for is really fast, high-powered warp engines, the kind installed on starships designed to go beyond Federation space. (And it's not even strictly necessary for those... the Romulans use a completely different tech for their warp drives, for instance. Plus, by the TNG era, Federation scientists have figured out how to recrystalize dilithium on the fly.)
Of course, not all worlds are part of the Federation. It's certainly plausible that there's trading with other non-Federation cultures and individuals, especially out on the frontier on colony worlds and such. (That's what Cyrano Jones was all about, for instance.) But within the Federation, it's clear that there's very little that you can't get except by trading outside of it. (I didn't say every possible thing was free, after all. Merely all the necessities of a fulfilling life. Special cases of PlotDevicium will always exist.)
It's pretty clear, though, that the Federation views capitalism as a quaint relic of the past, much the same as we view (e.g.) monarchy. For heaven's sake, the Trekverse has an entire alien culture (the Ferengi) that exists just for the narrative purpose of demonstrating how ridiculous everybody else finds capitalism!...
Of course, not all worlds are part of the Federation. It's certainly plausible that there's trading with other non-Federation cultures and individuals, especially out on the frontier on colony worlds and such. (That's what Cyrano Jones was all about, for instance.) But within the Federation, it's clear that there's very little that you can't get except by trading outside of it. (I didn't say every possible thing was free, after all. Merely all the necessities of a fulfilling life. Special cases of PlotDevicium will always exist.)
It's pretty clear, though, that the Federation views capitalism as a quaint relic of the past, much the same as we view (e.g.) monarchy. For heaven's sake, the Trekverse has an entire alien culture (the Ferengi) that exists just for the narrative purpose of demonstrating how ridiculous everybody else finds capitalism!...
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