They create the world the characters inhabit. A world they acknowledge they're deliberately making different from that of TOS.
If the writers and producers didn't want it, it wouldn't be happening.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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If the writers and producers didn't want it, it wouldn't be happening.
Prime Universe. Said by the people who matter on that panel.
I trust the word of a writer/producer more then the FX guy.
I'm all for calling it "branches".
The Kelvin timeline is a complete different timeline. But the parts of the JJ. movies that do take place in the prime timeline (old Spock, destruction of Vulcan, red matter, the USS Kelvin) are obviously only one branch off of the prime timeline. And the Disco-Verse is another branch. Both are connected to the prime universe ("Enterprise" with Archer took place in BOTH universes), but not two each other.
The Kelvin timeline is a complete different timeline. But the parts of the JJ. movies that do take place in the prime timeline (old Spock, destruction of Vulcan, red matter, the USS Kelvin) are obviously only one branch off of the prime timeline. And the Disco-Verse is another branch. Both are connected to the prime universe ("Enterprise" with Archer took place in BOTH universes), but not two each other.
Because the "eyes" scream reboot. Many folks are seemingly hanging everything on what the producers say because their eyes have let them down.
My eyes recognize that this all fictional. When I watch THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK and THE VOYAGE HOME, the Klingon bridge is the same bridge even though it looks completely different in the two movies. I don't need to pretend there was some arbitrary redesign that took place between movies because what is that going to really matter?
It's super tricky. Because the eyes say: Super obvious reboot. But the ears (aka the written dialogue) scream: "SEEE! CANON REFERENCES! EVERYWHERE! WE'RE PRIME UNIVERSE!"
It's a bit...schizophrenic.
I think we can reconcile the two without being a bunch of robots screaming "ERROR! ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE!"
No, eyes scream "Expansion of lore." and "not everything must look the same."
Not because producers say so.
Obviously. I still think it's a bit annyoing, but whatever. But then, I'm also in the camp that I would have gladly accepted the JJ. Abrams movies to be "true" prequels to TOS if they just didn't have blow'ed up Vulcan...
I wish Abrams' films were straight up reboots, as in zero connections to Prime universe. No Nimoy. No time alterations.
I liked the multiple timelines.
I'm not convinced the references are really any more concrete than those in any comic fandom. For example, Justice League references Batman's past battling the Penguin, but it doesn't mean that Batman Returns or the old Adam West series, or Gotham are canon to the DCEU, just that versions of those characters exist in JL's world. One could argue that in Discovery, a version of Enterprise's "In a Mirror, Darkly" happened (but with a different-looking USS Defiant, and, if you zoom in on the redacted report, Stardates 100 years early) but "Affliction"/"Divergence" didn't.
Ignoring Coluan shrinking/enlarging Rays.
Tough to imagine the Cage 1701 destroyed and replaced for the last DSC episode. Same for the new one gone and replaced by the TOS one.
WRT the scaled ships in the E-E observation lounge,you have to scale up every Enterprise and all the other ships they encounters?
Tough to imagine the Cage 1701 destroyed and replaced for the last DSC episode. Same for the new one gone and replaced by the TOS one.
WRT the scaled ships in the E-E observation lounge,you have to scale up every Enterprise and all the other ships they encounters?
Well, yeah... slightly. There have been discussions about this in the Trek Tech and Fan Art forums (among other places) going back years, and I'm reasonably persuaded that the original Enterprise, in order to match the exteriors to the known size of the bridge and other sets, and include plausible deck heights that correspond with window placements, makes more sense at 1080 ft (329m) than at 947 ft (289m). It's a 14% difference, which isn't much.
What disturbs me (okay, one thing that disturbs me) about the interview comments from the DSC folks is that they describe scaling up the Enterprise (by some arbitrary amount) not for any reason that makes intrinsic sense for the ship itself, but only so that it looks better relative to the Discovery in external shots. That's bass-ackwards reasoning.
Sure would be nice if they could all get on the same page, though, wouldn't it?...FX people are not the writers, they don't get to decide these things....One so big, TOS essentially didn't happen making Discovery it's own seperate world as I've been saying all along and the VFX people agree
Can't argue with that. The current creators seem oblivious to the notion that any fans even appreciate that level of attention to detail.
And ultimately that's a choice about what's plausible to an individual, not what actually fits and is possible. There are no representations of the TOS sets in Joseph's work that require tiny humans, and again his estimation of things like the Bridge actually made them larger than the real sets that were shot on.
Now, no one fudges dimensions like the folks who design the apartments of TV characters, particularly sitcoms - none of these people could afford spaces that big in any major American city except maybe Detroit.
No, probably not. I'm not sure I would expect them to.
The Original will always hold a special place in my heart but that is just nostalgia. Moving forward my head canon for her is replaced by the Discoveryprise.
From now on, whenever I am looking at TOS Enterprise I will be seeing the Discovery Enterprise instead. Same goes for whatever interior / uniform updates they do on Discovery.
Someone start a petition to remaster TOS with Discovery updates.
From now on, whenever I am looking at TOS Enterprise I will be seeing the Discovery Enterprise instead. Same goes for whatever interior / uniform updates they do on Discovery.
Someone start a petition to remaster TOS with Discovery updates.
The Original will always hold a special place in my heart but that is just nostalgia. Moving forward my head canon for her is replaced by the Discoveryprise.
From now on, whenever I am looking at TOS Enterprise I will be seeing the Discovery Enterprise instead. Same goes for whatever interior / uniform updates they do on Discovery.
Someone start a petition to remaster TOS with Discovery updates.
HERETIC!
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