According to the Star Trek: Discovery Synopsis page, "Star Trek: Discovery follows the voyages of Starfleet on their missions to discover new worlds and new lifeforms, and one Starfleet officer who must learn that to truly understand all things alien, you must first understand yourself."
'Discovery' lacked discovery
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According to the Star Trek: Discovery Synopsis page, "Star Trek: Discovery follows the voyages of Starfleet on their missions to discover new worlds and new lifeforms, and one Starfleet officer who must learn that to truly understand all things alien, you must first understand yourself."
This has been a problem for every post-TOS Trek except Voyager. Writers don't seem to be able to adapt to a universe where things are far apart.
Funnily enough, in retrospect ENT did that extremely well, too:
In the first two seasons they were dumping around in not too far away space from Earth, which was previously just hard to reach with older engines, but not spectacularly far away. With season 3 they went on a mission far, far away, entirely radio seperated and without ANY contact with Earth. And season 4 - which dealt with the fall-out from season 3 - was basically entirely set in on home turf in and near Federation space. There was a clear, plot-related and timed reason why and when the NX-01 was far out there, or near home.
Agree...ENT did this very well.
It couldn't possibly be about "self-Discovery" could it?
Nah, that's ridiculous...kind of like this thread.
Just another excuse to bash on the show. Don't we have enough of these? 
Nah, that's ridiculous...kind of like this thread.
Just another excuse to bash on the show. Don't we have enough of these? 
It's the internet. So I'm gonna say, no.
'Self'-Discovery?? That is kind of (in my opinion) inadequate. Think about it. Many both seafaring and star trekking vessels are named with ceremony. Naming a ship means something. (Just as an aside we have a boat and she had a naming ceremony). So regards the Starship itself I rather hope it wasn't some self-indulgent pat on the head for the crew. Self-discovery? Nope. For naming the show itself that might work though.
When does this part happen? Season 2?
Respectfully, I disagree. To explore the seas (or space) is to test the limits of oneself. There is no reason to be pedantic in the definition simply because it doesn't meet personal expectations.
Not that it matters with DISCO. It shall be flayed until there is nothing left.
How pedantic is it to expect... Discovery to be about... discovery
As I stated "Self-Discovery" involves that idea...that argument was shot down for being "inadequate."How pedantic is it to expect... Discovery to be about... discovery
Jokes aside, seriously, is this that important? It is pedantic arguments like this that pretty much undermine any other criticism of the show. It showcases a standard that is unobtainable for the new shows, and retreads the "not real Star Trek" standards that I've seen with ENT, Abrams Trek and the like. What it reads as is a new show must hit "this standard" (nebulous though it may be) to be real. Instead of regarding the show on its own merits, and engaging the material, it will be held at arms length and unlovingly judged.
It saddens me to no end that this is the level of argumentation that must be leveled in order to debase DISCO as Star Trek.
KIRA: "This 'wilderness' is MY HOME."
Don't be sad. I really thought it was one of the most obvious comments to make. I'm lover of words and their meaning resonates with me. You know what you could do and I say this as someone who is actually actively trying to contribute to this forum (I mean think back to Isaac's saying he would rather people talk about Discovery than not)... but you could create a topic that showcases the reasons why Discovery works for you. It might be its 'tone', its emphasis on a personal journey, its rawness, the imagination of the writers. That it can give us characters they are willing to kill off and keep powering on. Really there are things still to talk aboutAs I stated "Self-Discovery" involves that idea...that argument was shot down for being "inadequate."
Jokes aside, seriously, is this that important? It is pedantic arguments like this that pretty much undermine any other criticism of the show. It showcases a standard that is unobtainable for the new shows, and retreads the "not real Star Trek" standards that I've seen with ENT, Abrams Trek and the like. What it reads as is a new show must hit "this standard" (nebulous though it may be) to be real. Instead of regarding the show on its own merits, and engaging the material, it will be held at arms length and unlovingly judged.
It saddens me to no end that this is the level of argumentation that must be leveled in order to debase DISCO as Star Trek.
Sorry. I love words as well, and their meaning is powerful, but I'm also someone who highly empathizes with someone who is tasked with a job and then gets beaten about the head with words constantly. DISCO's production team gets that (and not from you, but around the Internet) with words like "abomination" "garbage" and "not real Star Trek" to name a few and avoid the more impolite ones in mixed company.Don't be sad. I really thought it was one of the most obvious comments to make. I'm lover of words and their meaning resonates with me. You know what you could do and I say this as someone who is actually actively trying to contribute to this forum (I mean think back to Isaac's saying he would rather people talk about Discovery than not)... but you could create a topic that showcases the reasons why Discovery works for you. It might be its 'tone', its emphasis on a personal journey, its rawness, the imagination of the writers. That it can give us characters they are willing to kill off and keep powering on. Really there are things still to talk about
So, when the whole "Discover doesn't have Discovery" topic come along, you'll forgive my reaction of "Isn't that rather pedantic?" in a place where this show has pretty much suffered all the pedantry and nitpicking the Internet could throw at it.
Oh heck I don't mind your reaction at all. You are entitled to it and it gives you a chance to offer a different perspective. Don't worry about this topic it's just about all talked out anyway it'll drop like a stone soon enough
I'm suffering Lorca withdrawal
He was my main topic before, how dare they kill him off.
There are professionals who can help you.I'm suffering Lorca withdrawal
Also, he will be back.
Yeah, I was thinking mostly of S1 and S2 there.
Names of stuff have meaning. 'Enterprise' should at least TRY to by a bit about going into business.
So, like TNG Season 1 and 2 in 1987 - 1989...got it.
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