And yet, as you state, Doctor Who manages it. You could handle the technology issue in a couple of sentences: Previously unknown damage to the environment, too expensive, lack of resources, discovered to be unhealthy for prolonged use by humans, fallen out of fashion.
The technology issue if you did a post-Berman era Trek show?
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And yet, as you state, Doctor Who manages it. You could handle the technology issue in a couple of sentences: Previously unknown damage to the environment, too expensive, lack of resources, discovered to be unhealthy for prolonged use by humans, fallen out of fashion.
I'd love to see a series that starts out in the 29th century with a time war where all the timeships are wiped out in a single massive attack except for a single outdated timeship that was decommissioned and was being prepared to serve as a museum piece by a bunch of misfits that couldn't make the cut as timeship officers. They escape by going back in time, but realize afterwards that the time invaders have destroyed the timeline and they must repair it. The show would take them to nearly every point in Star Trek "history", from ENT to VOY. (Perhaps in one episode, they have to dig up Data's severed head to implant information they need to smuggle past the time invaders to get to another agent working in the future on the Enterprise D.)
Star Trek's Legends of Tomorrow?
Actually I was thinking Time Jam: Valerian & Laureline, but that too.
Which would mean a technological down grade and wouldn't fit trek's themes of continuous technological advancement.
You could work the plot and setting so the technology isn't used to solve every issue but it would kind of undermine the whole technology is extraordinarily advanced.
Because from what we see in Voyager's two time ship episodes and ENT's 31st and 26th century glimpses we see paint a picture of a federation ascending to higher and higher technological levels of technology with the implication that humanity will reach Q levels. At some point in the distant future.
Mostly because TNG era tech was reaching magic levels as it was. Even a small advance would start pushing my interest in the tech.
TNG had holodecks, androids, among other things
Look at it this way. How much has technology advanced since 1961? Quite a lot.
But the U.S.S. Enterprise CVN-65 was launched in 1961, about 64 years later in 2025 give or take the replacement for that magnificent ship will be launched.
Sure the new carrier will have electromagnetic catapults and arresting gear, their computers will be powerful but small and of course they'll have internet access all around the vessel.
But like the ship 64 years earlier, it will still be nuclear powered, its main purpose will be to launch and recover fixed and rotary wing aircraft running on fossil fuels, and as in 1961 its most powerful weapons will be some nuclear warheads kept in a specially guarded (and secret) magazine.
The main difference from 1961 is social. There will be quite a few women in the crew. A person from 1961 transported to 2025 would have few problems adjusting to the technological changes.
So I'm uncertain why the hemming and hawing about moving a few decades further into the future.
And Star Trek technology was never "magical" at least in concept. It was only "magical" in that poor writing tended to want to introduce dilemmas and jeopardy and resolve them by the end of an episode with a deux ex machina .
But the U.S.S. Enterprise CVN-65 was launched in 1961, about 64 years later in 2025 give or take the replacement for that magnificent ship will be launched.
Sure the new carrier will have electromagnetic catapults and arresting gear, their computers will be powerful but small and of course they'll have internet access all around the vessel.
But like the ship 64 years earlier, it will still be nuclear powered, its main purpose will be to launch and recover fixed and rotary wing aircraft running on fossil fuels, and as in 1961 its most powerful weapons will be some nuclear warheads kept in a specially guarded (and secret) magazine.
The main difference from 1961 is social. There will be quite a few women in the crew. A person from 1961 transported to 2025 would have few problems adjusting to the technological changes.
So I'm uncertain why the hemming and hawing about moving a few decades further into the future.
And Star Trek technology was never "magical" at least in concept. It was only "magical" in that poor writing tended to want to introduce dilemmas and jeopardy and resolve them by the end of an episode with a deux ex machina .
I think you're forgetting Arthur C. Clark's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
But, those "deus ex machinas" are part of the show, from living forever via transporter, to Warp 10 instantaneous travel, self-aware holograms, a Fountain of Youth planet, and non and on.
At some point in time, the tech feels too magical and less relatable. Which means that the characters must be even better.
Just because something happened a couple of times on the show doesn't mean its is "part" of the Trek universe.
In my opinion, vast amounts of aired Trek needs to be "decanonized".
Blasphemy!
Seriously though, a lot of the technobabble and the god stuff is over looked in service to a newer plot, but you can only dismiss so far.
One of the joys of trek is when a bit of continuity turns up unexpectedly, setting a show in the far future would need to with all that had gone before, even if it never mentions the lizardising effects of warp ten travel, it’s still a fact.
Sounds painful.
I do not follow this logic at all. I agree about the decanoization certainly, but at the same time it doesn't magically disappear. I feel like this is an opposite swing in response to "EVERYTHING ON SCREEN IS CANON" to "Nothing is canon."
I kinda like the one with the warp ten lizard in theory and it is a solid concept, just not expressed in the right or best way - just like the theory that they're all aliens and not speaking English though it obviously looks like they are. They did that a lot in Trek - running over concepts instead of giving them time to develop by letting them simmer for a while better things (more evolved and fully formed) present themselves.
For the Prime timeline, I suspect that the early 25th century is as late a setting as one might use for a soft reboot. The Reconstruction period in the aftermath of the Dominion War.
The fleet has been decimated. Of the existing ships, many are elderly ships that were taken out of mothballs.
Many new ships being constructed may be budget ships-fairly modern, but emphasizing quick construction rather than bleeding edge technology.
The fleet has been decimated. Of the existing ships, many are elderly ships that were taken out of mothballs.
Many new ships being constructed may be budget ships-fairly modern, but emphasizing quick construction rather than bleeding edge technology.
In the early 25th century, the Dominion War has been over for at least 25 years.
Why do you guys give such credence to what most Trek fans that I know of consider arguably one of the worst Voyager episodes ever (Threshhold)?
Why not give more credit to "All Good Things" where Starfleet ships travel at Warp 13? I (and most fans) would take "All Good Things" over "Threshhold" any time.
Besides which there is no reason you can't have another warp speed recalculation for a new series where instead of the ship at high speed going "Warp 9.5 or 9.9" you have the ship traveling at "Warp 17 or 18".
Why not give more credit to "All Good Things" where Starfleet ships travel at Warp 13? I (and most fans) would take "All Good Things" over "Threshhold" any time.
Besides which there is no reason you can't have another warp speed recalculation for a new series where instead of the ship at high speed going "Warp 9.5 or 9.9" you have the ship traveling at "Warp 17 or 18".
Because nothing has disputed it since then.
