Well, that's a surprise. Gideon is not my favorite, but it's a decent TOS episode. I thought for sure that the Gorgan would beat out the Space Hippies for the final dishonor.
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Well, that's a surprise. Gideon is not my favorite, but it's a decent TOS episode. I thought for sure that the Gorgan would beat out the Space Hippies for the final dishonor.
Me neither. I quite like it, actually, for a variety of viewer-related and personal reasons. Spock's fencing with the ambassador is a highlight.
Shatner says that the cast and crew knew that Turnabout was their last episode. The feeling of doom and gloom seemed to permeate the atmosphere of TOS' last episode.
To this day, I think I still mostly resent the fact that Shatner didn't even get to play "Kirk" in the final episode of Star Trek.
Turnabout Intruder was an okay episode for me although it was a shame that Uhura didn't appear in the final show! Plato's Stepchildren, The Empath and Whom Gods Destroy were far worse and banned by the BBC for twenty four years and although at the time I couldn't understand why, now I think they were justified!
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The E replica is certainly a stretch. I wonder if they ever considered making it a mind prison for Kirk that took the shape of the Enterprise.
The fact that Spock didn't pick up on the swopped co-ordinates is the only real error in the episode for me! There are a couple of far stretched points in the episode but I think it holds up in the end!
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I thought Gorgon would win again, but I'm ok with Mark of Gideon "winning" It's the reason "bottle shows" have a bad name, there are so many bad premises that I think it's bad, it's in my bottom 9.
1. People that are practically immortal naturally--That have terribly overpopulated their planet
2. respect life so much that their only solution is to give everyone a terrible disease and let them die horribly
3. Have the capability to create a replica Enterprise that fools it's Captain, that last part is the kicker, anyone can build from a schematic, how are they going to recreate the "feel" of the Enterprise?
4. It takes Spock and Scott to notice the coordinates are not the same? Like that shouldn't have raised a massive red flag as soon as something seemed wrong?
5. and last, the episode "cheats"! It shows Kirk beaming down and materializing in one scene as it has in many other episodes, but it didn't happen that way, they got him and intercepted him and then somehow made him think he'd just beamed down?
1. People that are practically immortal naturally--That have terribly overpopulated their planet
2. respect life so much that their only solution is to give everyone a terrible disease and let them die horribly
3. Have the capability to create a replica Enterprise that fools it's Captain, that last part is the kicker, anyone can build from a schematic, how are they going to recreate the "feel" of the Enterprise?
4. It takes Spock and Scott to notice the coordinates are not the same? Like that shouldn't have raised a massive red flag as soon as something seemed wrong?
5. and last, the episode "cheats"! It shows Kirk beaming down and materializing in one scene as it has in many other episodes, but it didn't happen that way, they got him and intercepted him and then somehow made him think he'd just beamed down?
But that was for the benefit of us, the viewers!
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This episode had the worst "message" in TOS. Basically the head-guy said we need to encourage young people to kill themselves so people like me can live in luxury.
Unless you consider the message of "Turnabout Intruder" to be that women should know their place and not try to achieve high positions that they'll never be suitable for.
The worst message in TOS is whatever The Alternative Factor's message is.
I can understand that interpretation and it may even be what Roddenberry intended the message to be, but in Star Trek's setting I think the message is not everyone can be a starship captain. This was also brought up in Bread and Circuses with Merrick, but he not being a woman and somewhat redeeming himself in the end might make it seem it's more against women in general*, but in the 23rd century that would not occur to the characters, and that's how I interpret it.
*Merrick died allowing the Enterprise crew to escape even though he allowed his crew to be killed, Dr. Lester actively killed her people and was unrepentant and disappointed she didn't kill Kirk and also threatened to kill several Enterprise officers.
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Yeh I'd prefer it to be that Kirk is special and you have to earn your position and the reason Lester couldn't be a captain was that she didn't earn/was suitable for the position.
The interpretation that she wasn't a captain because she was a woman seemed stupid considering Number One and other episodes. It gets muddied with Kirk's last line in the episode though.
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