It's NX-01 made to look like 24th century ship
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I know that. Sarcasm, a strange concept.
In this thread, yes
It's funny, I came by these pics couple days ago:
It takes sooo little to go from 22nd century to late 24th century style. Updated nacelles, different dish, different color and presto, 250 years of ship development. So are we all really complaining which ships look too old or too new? Or if design is right for the era or not? It's all very close to each other anyway.
Same layout , not the same design style or textures.
You can not really think this looks newer than the walker.
Wow... now I actually want to read the thing. Sounds hilarious.
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The internet is full of them, its the main reason I keep away from youtube videos on the subject as they mostly consist of sour grapes and oh woe is me.
The Walker looks newer then everything in the show.
Are you going to tell me that Starfleet went from thick nacelles with bussard collectors, to thin nacelles with no bussard collectors, back to thick nacelles with bussard collectors? (and then back to Thin nacelles in TMP era)
The Walker is the one out of place here.
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If John Eaves is not at fault for these designs, who is? DSC producers/executive produces? Or Suits higher up?
The walker fits with the other 8 we have seen. If it was the walker alobe, I would agree. But its not the walker a lone.
How about this one?
Whay do you mean?
Somone higher up. Designers rarely have free reign. They are often stuck with imposed ruled and restrictions. Often the client/boss will wont something you think is weak or does not fit. But you get stuck doing it anyhow.
You would be shocked on how often a client wants a weaker design. You will spend days doing roughs and sketches and have 4 really strong designs. The client will take number 6 or go "Lets do something simpler" or "Oh, I just want the name in a box"
And yet that statement implies that you are at least capable of cooking a cheeseburger that is better than McDonalds'.
Unless, of course, you are comparing McDonalds cheeseburgers to something like, say, Red Robin or Longhorn, but that's a different sort of statement, isn't it? I don't believe, for example, that John Eaves is NEARLY as good a designer as Andrew Probert and I even think Ryan Church's designs for the Kelvin films fit better for what most of us would have expected as standard 23rd century designs. But I don't get to call John Eaves a crappy artist; I could practice for a year and a half and not produce anything comparable to his very worst designs.
What we're basically seeing here is a very odd manifestation of the Dunning-Krueger effect. The skills you need to recognize a "bad" piece of technical art are the skills you would need to design one in the first place. As I have said MANY times now, there is a huge difference between saying "I don't like this thing" and saying "This thing is of poor quality."
Why not? Military aircraft went from engines in pods (Me262, Gloster Meteor) to having engines buried in the fuselage (Mig-15, 17, 21, F-86) to having engines with separate intakes (F-104, A-6, F-4, F-105) eventually back to putting engines in pods (A-1o Thunderbolt, B-1B).
It's not like the cylindrical nacelles are necessarily more or less advanced than the thin, boxy, angular ones. They're a different TYPE of drive system altogether, one that arguably serves a very specific purpose in Starfleet. And apart from the design of the nacelles, there's really nothing on the Enterprise that is visibly out of place compared to the rest of the fleet.
And the Walker is probably the oldest one in the fleet, so that shouldn't be surprising either.
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That looks great.How about this one?
I was not criticising Eaves. He is obviously very skilled designer. I was criticising the lack of coherent art direction, and that is due some executives who probably are not trained artists or designers.
What. No. It doesn't imply that at all.
All it implies is that he's eaten at least one hamburger that, in his opinion, was better than McDonald's.
Everybody's a critic.
The only one it fits with is the Shepard Class.
The nacelles don't match any of the other ships.
They are not kitbashed. The necells need not match just because trek has always reused them.
The body and design elements as well as the styling match the other ships. They fit togather.
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