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Black Panther - Pre-release Thread

I don't see Captain America as a symbol of America at all. If he'd be a symbol of America the statement he'd be making is that Americans are best when on steroids.

The negatives of steroids are a) the health side-effects and b) the unethical situation of performance-enhancers in sports competition. Captain America is not competing in sports, and his super-serum does not appear to have unhealthy side-effects. The serum supposedly just increases the body's efficiency to peak human capacity. Hell, if such a drug was commercially available, anybody with enough money would be rushing to the nearest supplier.

Regardless, Captain America isn't a symbol of America because he has physical strength. He is a symbol of the American ideal (if not necessarily the practice) because he understands at his core that the weak need to be protected.
 
Captain America is the old WWII era American ideal, and the best stories about him, like TWS, are when that old fashioned ideal is brought up against our current day America.
 
Regardless, Captain America isn't a symbol of America because he has physical strength. He is a symbol of the American ideal (if not necessarily the practice) because he understands at his core that the weak need to be protected.

Exactly. The movie showed that very well. Erskine chose Steve to be his test subject because he was the only one Erskine trusted not to abuse the power. He understood what it was like to be the victim of bullying, and so he would never use his strength to victimize others.
 
I'm still offended by the fact that we needed a fake African country to make Africa "cool". I guess people are cool with it though, so what do I know.

More offensive than that (as noted in the other Black Panther thread), you already see certain people typically diving into the naïve end of the pool in thinking this is some first step toward some form of Pan Africanism, or will serve as some sweeping inspiration for those of African descent. That kind of belief comes from those who think Hollywood dressing turns into power or positive identity, as if the black audience is so freaking stupid and downtrodden (a belief of the modern Left as much as it is of the Right) that a fantasy film released at a time in history
when such "look to the sky and hope" messages do not take hold to those who "know the score" of national and international matters where black people are concerned.

Further, this--or any film--will not speak of the realities going on in Africa right now--major investment from Russia, China, Japan and India (money, schools, businesses--you name it), which is already seen as being a 21st century form of colonial / cultural influence that is anything other than the Pan Africanism some of the BP cheerleaders are claiming the film might inspire there--or in the U.S.

You will never hear any allegedly modern progressive admit that, as they're too busy carrying the film on their shoulders, trying to package & sell it as a positive self-esteem-filled, messianic tale "black people" have been "waiting for." As noted in the other BP thread, Hollywood is notorious for assuming far too much about the mindset and desire of black people (while undermining some core beliefs of African Americans they do not like), as they told the world how celebrated and "good" for black identity In the Heat of the Night was in the 60s, Roots in the 70s, or Do the Right Thing, in the late 80s, etc. Its the same sort of instinctively Left wing rush to celebrate that had them thinking the election of Obama spelled the end of racism in the U.S., when level headed black people were wide awake, and not fooled that at all.

Usually, it is self righteous, "caring" faction of white modern liberalism that appoints themselves to speak for others in such an assured manner, always telling black people when their "time has come" or what they should praise as some cultural breakthrough--the message "they've been waiting for." There's more than enough BP reviews from black people (search YouTube channels for a start) who are saying that the film is entertaining, but its not some cinematic equivalent of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech. Its just a film, yet once again, we see the mainstream media and their John & Jane Q. Public mouthpieces online & on the streets selling and telling black people that this film is so inspirational. Its insulting in the extreme, but those selling that allegedly inspirational idea--whether about black identity, Pan Africanism or a native African's place in the world/connection to others--are playing a game that--at the end of it all--only exists to make themselves feel good. A very....very old story.
 
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This could only have been written by someone who's never been bullied. The bullied make the biggest bullies.

I understand your point, but I think you're being a bit disingenuous. Bullied children act in a variety of ways when they get older. For many (like Captain America), the experience bolsters their empathy and their desire to help others.
 
I understand your point, but I think you're being a bit disingenuous. Bullied children act in a variety of ways when they get older. For many (like Captain America), the experience bolsters their empathy and their desire to help others.

Yeah I think it depends on what you get out of the bullying. Some see it as the strong preying on the weak, and a net negative to society. Others realize that it's society's mechanism to keep weakness from becoming an accepted state and to keep individuals from getting too far out of line. Those are the types that end up seeing it as a net positive and become the biggest bullies themselves.
 
Yeah I think it depends on what you get out of the bullying.

Certainly I think there is some truth to the statement that bullies generally learned it from someone, and are victims themselves.

But this is getting off topic somewhat. Captain America, just like Superman, both have immense power that they choose to use, not for domination, but for the defence and prosperity of others. That's not always easy, because you have to make judgment calls about what that means, and if, by exercising your power, you're imposing your will on people who would perhaps rather you didn't interfere. But then, if you don't use your power to interfere, other people might suffer. Sound familiar? Stories about imaginary superheroes can tell us something about non-imaginary us. (see also: Star Trek)
 
The comics would add one like zach snyder. I wish the panther related gripe was good for brainiac without writing it to be completely retconning shuri. I wish any opinion today was very kree... People will probably be killmonger and carol. Its not like them!! I have used a little potential and hela was very good. Everything was hilarious like his role. Ccarol isn't kree as some people say. Everything people freaking like watching is my personal costume!
 
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Kirk55555... am i correct in that you general like superhero/comic book movies, action, sci-fi?

If so, go see the movie on a $5 Tuesday (or whatever deal in your area).

If it is TRULY such a waste of time as you anticipate, I will send you $5 in the mail...as long as you write up in your piece (in addition to any rants you have about me watsing your time), anything GOOD or surprisingly pleased about in the movie.
 
Kirk55555... am i correct in that you general like superhero/comic book movies, action, sci-fi?

If so, go see the movie on a $5 Tuesday (or whatever deal in your area).

If it is TRULY such a waste of time as you anticipate, I will send you $5 in the mail...as long as you write up in your piece (in addition to any rants you have about me watsing your time), anything GOOD or surprisingly pleased about in the movie.
He's already seen and posted his thoughts in the review thread.
 
More offensive than that (as noted in the other Black Panther thread), you already see certain people typically diving into the naïve end of the pool in thinking this is some first step toward some form of Pan Africanism, or will serve as some sweeping inspiration for those of African descent. That kind of belief comes from those who think Hollywood dressing turns into power or positive identity, as if the black audience is so freaking stupid and downtrodden (a belief of the modern Left as much as it is of the Right) that a fantasy film released at a time in history
when such "look to the sky and hope" messages do not take hold to those who "know the score" of national and international matters where black people are concerned.

Further, this--or any film--will not speak of the realities going on in Africa right now--major investment from Russia, China, Japan and India (money, schools, businesses--you name it), which is already seen as being a 21st century form of colonial / cultural influence that is anything other than the Pan Africanism some of the BP cheerleaders are claiming the film might inspire there--or in the U.S.

You will never hear any allegedly modern progressive admit that, as they're too busy carrying the film on their shoulders, trying to package & sell it as a positive self-esteem-filled, messianic tale "black people" have been "waiting for." As noted in the other BP thread, Hollywood is notorious for assuming far too much about the mindset and desire of black people (while undermining some core beliefs of African Americans they do not like), as they told the world how celebrated and "good" for black identity In the Heat of the Night was in the 60s, Roots in the 70s, or Do the Right Thing, in the late 80s, etc. Its the same sort of instinctively Left wing rush to celebrate that had them thinking the election of Obama spelled the end of racism in the U.S., when level headed black people were wide awake, and not fooled that at all.

Usually, it is self righteous, "caring" faction of white modern liberalism that appoints themselves to speak for others in such an assured manner, always telling black people when their "time has come" or what they should praise as some cultural breakthrough--the message "they've been waiting for." There's more than enough BP reviews from black people (search YouTube channels for a start) who are saying that the film is entertaining, but its not some cinematic equivalent of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech. Its just a film, yet once again, we see the mainstream media and their John & Jane Q. Public mouthpieces online & on the streets selling and telling black people that this film is so inspirational. Its insulting in the extreme, but those selling that allegedly inspirational idea--whether about black identity, Pan Africanism or a native African's place in the world/connection to others--are playing a game that--at the end of it all--only exists to make themselves feel good. A very....very old story.
Have there actually been people talking about the movie like this?
Most of what I've seen, both from white and black writers, is just people how great it was to see a character like T'Chala and a country like Wakanda in a big blockbuster, but I haven't seen anyone take it as far as you're saying.
 
I put Kirk's posts into an AI bot, so his words are the only English it knows. That is what I got.
Here is the keyboard http://botnik.org/apps/writer/?source=14022c9472df1f14bb3f790a2508f611 so you can write your own. Like this:

It was very good movie. I'm every panther. Everything the kree themselves had was also good. I'm any serious white version of horrible people! Like watching anything for the first uniform even if killmonger was hilarious!!! People freaking out and accusing the kree of ethics are kids like me. That's not just movies, since that's more. It had absolutely nothing like the idea of brainiac 5! Its not relevant! Was 5000 % the better question? Shuri was a bit better then they were but overall it was a blind white goldfish. So overall i hope aquaman does acceptable and hela is not bullshit.
 
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