What would you like to see change for season 2?

[guyute03]

Sitting here watching Enterprise's 'Minefield/Dead Stop' and I realized something they could do with season 2.
I'd love to see an entire season arc that dealt with all the classic Trek trimmings we all miss. A season of exploration, cerebral episodes, "Faith Vs Science", away teams, "god-planets", spatial anomalies, all of it, re-purposed into one story.

Would that even be possible? Could you take all we loved from what's considered the classic Trek format, what we saw in TOS, TNG, Voyager, and the beginning of Enterprise, and spin that into a season long arc with one story?

Would absolutely love this. Not sure they're capable, but it could take "Peak TV" and "old" Trek and form one story with it.

 

[Lord Garth]

It's possible if one thing led to another which led to yet another. Smallest in scale first, largest in scale last. A spacial anomaly leads to a god planet, with a "faith vs. science" argument along the way, with an away team when they reach the god-planet...

Wait a minute. Hold on. Stop. That's Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. As an entire season. And we have one of Spock's siblings.

So, anyway...

 

[Jayson1]

What if the faith vs science story ends up being a time travel season where a Alien claiming to be Jesus get's into a "Amok TIme" fight with Charles Darwin. Humanity's entire future when it comes to spirituality relies on who is able to win the fight!

Jason

 

[Lord Garth]

I think you have a ouija board to Gene Roddenberry.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

I think you have a ouija board to Gene Roddenberry.

But it only works if your trousers are down around your ankles.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wouldn't mind if the uniforms changed. Not a fan.

 

[waxon]

I read somewhere that Fuller had created Cage like uniforms but the new team didn't like them and created what we see on the show.

For me I want better storytelling in season 2. I want pay off and follow through. This article articulates much better than I can the issues with no follow through which have marred season 1: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/no-follow-through/#!

 

[Vger23]

It's possible if one thing led to another which led to yet another. Smallest in scale first, largest in scale last. A spacial anomaly leads to a god planet, with a "faith vs. science" argument along the way, with an away team when they reach the god-planet...

Wait a minute. Hold on. Stop. That's Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. As an entire season. And we have one of Spock's siblings.

So, anyway...

Actually, I've always thought that a significantly re-tooled and re-written TFF storyline could have made a GREAT Star Trek story. So, you may be on to something!

 

[Jesse1066]

Can't change uniforms until season 3. It's tradition. It would be nice if the Enterprise crew had the Cage-like uniforms though as suggested in Desperate Hours.

 

[skip bittman]

Be nice if Alex Kurtzman were chucked out an airlock.

 

[Fateor]

1) Get rid of or marginalize Burnham, SMG just can't pull off the leading role.

2) Fix the Klingons.

3) Destroy the Spore Network.

4) Replace the writing room.

5) Get a new CGI company.

6) Get rid of the blue saturation in the set lighting.

7) Have mirror Georgio take over the Orion syndicate and begin conducting raids against the Federation.

 

[Tenacity]

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8) Turn up the damned lights on the bridge.

 

[Worf2DS9]

I'd like to see the secondary bridge crew members be more integrated into what's going on. Make them fleshed out characters instead of simply button-pushers. I think as it stands right now, Detmer has the edge in this department, but Owosekun got some good air time in the MU episodes, both her prime and mirror incarnations, while the cool Airiam continues to simply intrigue. Past Treks had "O'Brien episodes" or "Geordi episodes" -- how about a Detmer episode, where a ghost from her past threatens to derail Discovery's mission, or something.

More importantly, I want to see the episode title appear on screen when the episode resumes after the opening titles. I don't care if that's not the way streaming shows do their thing, it's Trek tradition, dammit! Anyway, the DISCO peeps have proven they don't adhere to typical streaming show "rules" by editing episodes down "for time" (??), so why stop there?

 

[Q2UnME]

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8) Turn up the damned lights on the bridge.

Bingo! This is one of my pet peeves too. Fine, there was a story point with Lorca and the mirror-universe lighting and such, but he's gone. He bit the big one, he's gone to meet his maker, he's pushing up daises. Someone flip on some lights for everyone else (including us, the viewer).

 

[F. King Daniel]

An explosive finale, instead of the damp squib we got.

Less episodic storytelling. Yes there were arcs, but everything felt so self contained and each episode wrapped everything up in a neat little bow leaving everything weirdly fresh for the next one. Lorca is revealed and then the next episode he's a cartoonish supervillain and is offed.

It didn't seem to me that the Klingon war's ending was planned when the show began production, and when you're doing arcs you need satisfying endings. L'Rell yells at some Klingons in a cave and it finishes the war? Nope, nope, nope, nope. Did they negotiate a neutral zone or establish some known Trek lore? Ooops, we forgot. They turned one fleet around in a situation where they'd established all the Klingon houses were doing their own thing.

Oh yeah, and fact check your scripts. I don't care about Trek canon (it's a reboot), but the 100AU/ruined Starbase above Earth thing left me with no idea how serious the danger to Earth actually was.

 

[eschaton]

I'd like to see the secondary bridge crew members be more integrated into what's going on. Make them fleshed out characters instead of simply button-pushers. I think as it stands right now, Detmer has the edge in this department, but Owosekun got some good air time in the MU episodes, both her prime and mirror incarnations, while the cool Airiam continues to simply intrigue. Past Treks had "O'Brien episodes" or "Geordi episodes" -- how about a Detmer episode, where a ghost from her past threatens to derail Discovery's mission, or something.

I was talking with someone about this, and I realized why it's weird. Trek has always had bridge extras - there was on on Voyager who appeared in over 2/3rds of all episodes. But the way extras were typically handled was to not be the focus of the shot in question. They were just random, boring looking humans who were in the shot background, or standing behind a main character in a corridor or something.

Discovery, though, decided to do things differently. First, some of the extras look quite visually distinctive, like Detmer (post injury) and Airiam. Secondly, the camera often focuses directly on their faces for short "reaction shots." Thirdly, as time went on, they got occasional lines. All of this implies they are not extras.

If I were to guess what happened here, I would say that the different elements of Discovery's production team were not communicating well. The makeup designers had fun with Detmer and Airiam, not realizing they were meant to be background characters. The writers weren't concerned with any of the bridge extras at all. But the early directors decided to add those sort of "reaction shots" even if they weren't scripted, which meant the writers felt obliged near the end of the season to begin giving them lines.

 

[Ceridwen]

They were just random, boring looking humans who were in the shot background, or standing behind a main character in a corridor or something.

That's a pretty harsh way to describe Sulu, Chekov, and Uhura.

 

[eschaton]

That's a pretty harsh way to describe Sulu, Chekov, and Uhura.

While all of them certainly were secondary to the Kirk/Spock/McCoy triumvirate on TOS, it isn't right to call them extras IMHO. They got some character development (Sulu liked fencing and botany, Uhura played the harp, Chekov got an entire relationship as backstory, etc)

 

[pst]

I read somewhere that Fuller had created Cage like uniforms but the new team didn't like them and created what we see on the show.

it has been speculated that the uniforms we see in the background of the UFP scene in "will you take my hand?" are the ones created under the fuller regime:

in any case, they look more traditionally star trek and good side-by-side with the discovery uniforms.

i hope these show up again.

 

[Ceridwen]

While all of them certainly were secondary to the Kirk/Spock/McCoy triumvirate on TOS, it isn't right to call them extras IMHO. They got some character development (Sulu liked fencing and botany, Uhura played the harp, Chekov got an entire relationship as backstory, etc)

It isn't right to call Detmer and Owosekun extras either, though. That was my point. People keep going to '80s and later Trek for examples of how we're always had an "ensemble cast" except we haven't, not in Star Trek and not in Enterprise. And even in later shows, there was nowhere near an equal footing in even our main casts. From the visual design alone, I feel like I already know more about Detmer in fifteen episodes than I ever learned about Harry Kim in seven years.