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Who should be the antagonist for season 2?

Maybe they'll play off the Burnham relation and introduce Sybok as the leader of some anti-logic extremist group.
You know, I thought about how Sybok would fit into a plot revolving around Logic extremist, but since his philosophy seemed to be the exact opposite of them, I thought that might be too convoluted to bring him in. But now, that I read his name again a thought came into my head: There were a couple of right-wing extremists, not to say Neonazis, in Germany a month or so ago that made headlines for becoming radical Muslims and joining ISIS/DAESH. Which made sense, the radicalization itself was already there, the ideologies themselves are not that different.
And I can see Sybok, in his youth being one of the logic extremists before turning 180° and became the Sybok we know and want to forget. S2 might even tell HOW that happened
 
I dunno. I mean, Game of Thrones is hugely popular, and there has not been a singular antagonist at any point over the course of the show. Thinking about non-genre shows, I'm pretty sure Breaking Bad, Mad Men, The Wire, etc all lacked singular antagonists - even on a seasonal basis.

Except there are different villain factions and reoccurring antagonists on Game of Thrones, its not a monster of the week style. Marlo Stanfield would have been the main antagonist in the last 2 seasons of the Wire, the Greek in season 2 and the Barksdale gang in season 1 and 3.

None of those are monster or problem of the week shows, there were ongoing antagonists in all of them. Marlo, Joffrey or Gus did not appear for one episode and were never heard of again.

Nothing wrong with that,

even then we don't need an arc for an entire season, you could do something great with three different civilizations splitting the season in thirds.

I think you need an ongoing story where the developed exploration and a developed rival to have any impact, what's wrong with the Discovery having to deal with a rival in the exploration and diplomacy game for the whole season? They would not appear every time, you can even have a few stand alone episodes where they deal with a natural disaster, but this rival would drive the main Cold War/Age of Discovery style plot. I am not married to that idea, but I can't go back to planet of the week stories.

If we must have an enemy, I'd rather it be one person or a small group than a race - it's very two dimensional to have 'villain races'. I'm intrigued by the idea of the Vulcan seperatists, which may hold interesting real world relevance, but I would prefer something subtler in its allegory, terrorists has been done so much it's cliché. Even ENT did the 'war on terror'.

That could work, as long as all the action does not take place on Vulcan.
 
And I can see Sybok, in his youth being one of the logic extremists before turning 180° and became the Sybok we know and want to forget. S2 might even tell HOW that happened

Yeah, I actually edited my post after the fact to say exactly this (you quoted me too soon!) -- fierce logic extremist who has a Vulcan-shattering epiphany, and becomes the exact opposite.
 
Except there are different villain factions and reoccurring antagonists on Game of Thrones, its not a monster of the week style. Marlo Stanfield would have been the main antagonist in the last 2 seasons of the Wire, the Greek in season 2 and the Barksdale gang in season 1 and 3.

None of those are monster or problem of the week shows, there were ongoing antagonists in all of them. Marlo, Joffrey or Gus did not appear for one episode and were never heard of again.

True. But my point wasn't that Discovery should retreat to "monster of the week." It was just that there is no need for a singular focus on a baddie. I'd much prefer two or three different ones - hopefully dealt with in an off-and-on fashion rather than sequentially like video game bosses the way that Season 1 did.
 
Yeah, I actually edited my post after the fact to say exactly this (you quoted me too soon!) -- fierce logic extremist who has a Vulcan-shattering epiphany, and becomes the exact opposite.
Great minds think alike, though fools seldom differ
 
True. But my point wasn't that Discovery should retreat to "monster of the week." It was just that there is no need for a singular focus on a baddie. I'd much prefer two or three different ones - hopefully dealt with in an off-and-on fashion rather than sequentially like video game bosses the way that Season 1 did.

Well I think you need reoccurring antagonists, like those shows you mentioned had.

In Star Trek terms, who is a better character, Gul Dukat or Commander Tomalak? Dukat because he appeared far more often and thus got more focus. Tomalak was fine, but his lack of character focus makes him a bit forgettable.
 
I think you need an ongoing story where the developed exploration and a developed rival to have any impact, what's wrong with the Discovery having to deal with a rival in the exploration and diplomacy game for the whole season?

Nothing wrong with it at all, just talkin alternatives. Its essentially what xfiles did and I think that show is top notch.

I'm just not convinced disco did the story arc thing very well season 1 and I'm not sure how well I think they'd do it in season 2.
 
Nothing wrong with it at all, just talkin alternatives. Its essentially what xfiles did and I think that show is top notch.

I'm just not convinced disco did the story arc thing very well season 1 and I'm not sure how well I think they'd do it in season 2.

Well I don't want go back to planet of the week stories and I don't think CBS would do that either. That era of sci fi TV is done.
 
Who should be the antagonist for season 2?

I know people may say, that there should be no antagonist and the series should just be about exploration, but I think this series should still be serialized (Voyager killed my interest in episodic Star Trek), but I would like season 2 where we would see more exploration and traditional Trek elements in a season long arc, so not planet of the week stories, but not a season long war either. What I would like see is a story that combines elements of the Cold War and the original age of exploration, with the Discovery having to compete with a rival space ship for resources and the allegiance of new discovered planets.

I don't want the Klingons back, I am bit sick of them. I would rather have some new villains. I would like the Romulans to be that rival, but I heard some people say the writers can't use the Romulans for some reason, which would be a shame, because they seem like the least developed of the major Star Trek civilizations. I can live with another civilization being the rivals, either an existing one or a new one.
Ennui.
 
Dude its like 90% true.

That show wouldn't survive without the comedy.
It probably wouldn't. That however doesn't mean I would label it at comedy when the comedic part aren't a overwhelming part of the show, especially the last couple of episodes where it really just turned into TNG with a handful of punchlines
 
Props to the OP for at least framing the question in terms of an "antagonist" rather than a "villain"... but I'm in the camp that says you don't really need one.

As Eschaton alluded... who is the antagonist in Game of Thrones? Who was the antagonist in The Wire? I mean, I love me some Buffy and some Arrow and other genre shows like that, but the notion that each season needs to have a "big bad" to defeat (or an escalating series thereof) is a tired formula that I could do without. If DSC really wants compete in the world of "prestige" TV, and to take advantage of its serialized, streaming format, it needs to move beyond those kind of tropes, and embrace the possibilities of a multifaceted ensemble, with different characters pursuing different motivations, each subjectively perceiving other different characters as "antagonists."

Hell, Babylon 5 pretty much did this over 20 years ago. Sure, there were always "the Shadows" lurking in the background, but fundamentally, the show was about a complex ensemble of characters representing different personal, cultural, and political interests, whose agendas toward one another regularly shifted as circumstances changed, with pretty much everyone seen as antagonistic by somebody else.

DSC came close to something this sophisticated with at least one character, Lorca, or seemed to... but then pissed it all away. Hopefully, next season it will lean into the possibilities, rather than away from them.

Except you need stakes, a challenge to overcome, a build up to a climax, which is what antagonist provides. ... Unless Discovery can deal with a natural disaster for 13 episodes, you need an antagonist.
I agree you need stakes and challenges. That's not the same thing as saying you need an antagonist per se. What it means is that you need competing interests.

Here's an idea. From the very first Trek pilot 53 years ago, all the way up to the very latest episode, we've seen and heard about the Orion Syndicate lurking around the fringes of Federation (and other) space... but we've never really learned anything about it. How about introducing a major Orion trader, or warlord, or what-have-you, and a few of his allies and adversaries and so forth, and have these characters' agendas and actions come into conflict with the Discovery crew's on multiple planets they're trying to entice into the (now war-weary) Federation? (The ST:Vanguard series of novels had a subplot that ran along similar lines, mostly to pretty good effect.) It would be a great chance to explore the intricacies of interstellar politics in a way that Trek has seldom attempted in the past (but that has worked well on shows as varied as B5 and The Expanse), and would also provide fertile ground for ethical dilemmas and real-world allegories in the classic Trek mold.

Except there are different villain factions and reoccurring antagonists on Game of Thrones, its not a monster of the week style. Marlo Stanfield would have been the main antagonist in the last 2 seasons of the Wire...
FWIW I think The Wire is arguably the best show in the history of television, but I also think its single weakest point was Marlo. He was the closest that show got to having a "villain," someone who was just irredeemably evil and seemed to have little motivation beyond being that way.

I think you need an ongoing story where the developed exploration and a developed rival to have any impact, what's wrong with the Discovery having to deal with a rival in the exploration and diplomacy game for the whole season?
Yes, a rival! (Or more than one.) That's what I'm talking about. That's not necessarily the same thing as an antagonist, and it's definitely different from a villain.

And now, on a complete tangent...
Dude its like 90% true. That show wouldn't survive without the comedy.
You really think that? I think the cheap comedy gags are The Orville's biggest weakness by far, and the more it puts them on a shelf, the better the show gets.
 
I think that what happen to the meeting between USS Discovery and USS Enterprise will wrap up the half of 2nd season. You remember the 1st priority emergency call at the end of season finale? Is that mean that USS Enterprise has a problem and need the help of other ships? or actually they came because of the same 1st priority emergency call, like what the Discovery got at the end of season finale? It is interesting, isn't it?
 
It probably wouldn't. That however doesn't mean I would label it at comedy when the comedic part aren't a overwhelming part of the show, especially the last couple of episodes where it really just turned into TNG with a handful of punchlines

It isn't necesarily about screen time, similar to mash, that show is a comedy. Sure there are other things involved but its a comedy. It snagged fans on comedy, it keeps them on it, and it can't survive without it.
 
Well I think you need reoccurring antagonists, like those shows you mentioned had.

In Star Trek terms, who is a better character, Gul Dukat or Commander Tomalak? Dukat because he appeared far more often and thus got more focus. Tomalak was fine, but his lack of character focus makes him a bit forgettable.

Maybe I just misinterpreted your OP. It made me think you were thinking about this as if it was some comic book series and we needed to have a super-villain to be the antagonist across the entire season.

Dukat was the best Trek villain, bar none. He was far from the only antagonist in DS9 however (and he wasn't always an antagonist in the mid-period of the show). Discounting antagonists of the week, Kai Winn, Weyoun, the Female Changeling, and Micheal Eddington also played important roles at times. Probably over half of the shows either had an "antagonist of the week" or no antagonist to speak of. For example, It's Only A Paper Moon, The Visitor, Duet, In The Pale Moonlight, etc all lacked one, and were fantastic episodes.
 
Could also have part of it involving Discovery working to help with some natural disaster. Starfleet has to be busy doing other things like that, especially for these far flung colonies.
 
Why not have a Telerite antagonist? Of the Federation's 4 founding species, the Telerites are used very little.
 
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