Because that is rewritng the character totally. You are trying to be a bit obtuse here. Changing the size of a ship to something that makes more since is a minor retcon vs Jane Kirk.
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Because that is rewritng the character totally. You are trying to be a bit obtuse here. Changing the size of a ship to something that makes more since is a minor retcon vs Jane Kirk.
Ok, On the size issue. We do not know the size, but while I think it will be larger, I do not feel it will be 750 or something for a few reasons.
1: It is older than the Crossfield class
2: The Crossfeild is not really 750, so much of that is Nacell, Gods what long Nacells. On top of that, she has so much unused space. Cut outs and likely dead space in the "wings"
3: As much as folks will never admit it, she is a warship. That is what a Heavy cruiser is, so its not as large as some other ships because she is not meant to be. Unlike the Discovery, its built to fight first.
1: It is older than the Crossfield class
2: The Crossfeild is not really 750, so much of that is Nacell, Gods what long Nacells. On top of that, she has so much unused space. Cut outs and likely dead space in the "wings"
3: As much as folks will never admit it, she is a warship. That is what a Heavy cruiser is, so its not as large as some other ships because she is not meant to be. Unlike the Discovery, its built to fight first.
So did the Enterprise D, Voyager, and I think most other 24th century starship classes. The Sovereign, Excelsior, and Defiant classes are notable exceptions, and the Miranda doesn't even have a deflector in the first place.
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Is it, though? Yes, we're told Discovery itself is brand-new in episode 3, but we don't know the age of the Glenn, or how old the USS Crossfield are. It's entirely possible the Crossfield class of ships have been around about as long as the Constitution class.
In what universe does that happen? It's sort of a big deal to people both to themselves and how others treat them. Saying it isn't a big deal is ignoring all of human history, society, religion and current events.
By the Look, it is way newer. We can kinda see ship linage in the designs we have seen so far and the Connie has to many archic aspects. It really looks older than the Walker to me. But newer than some of the fleet we saw. And If they are not pumping out Connies still, which TOS tells us they are not, they are not likely to be making even older ships.
And she was still light years ahead of Crusher in terms of personality.... a much more interesting character.
In plot-dirve narrative gender is only important when it serves story points - because characters are not actual human beings living real lives.
Alien is a rather famous example of a script in which the characters were assigned neither sex nor gender in its original treatment.
Alien is a rather famous example of a script in which the characters were assigned neither sex nor gender in its original treatment.
I think he means in narrative though. Where unless it’s directly applied to the story being told, gender is simply an option made during character creation. I suppose many of the support characters have at least one story where their gender etc is applicable though. The closest to an Alien/Ripley scenario is probably...Sulu ironically. He never has any ‘romance’ lines, or things like Redjac for Scotty or the Day of the Dove thing for Chekhov. We know he has a daughter later, but that’s not precluded by rewriting Hikaru as Hitomi.
It would, however, certainly be a change to continuity that would imply a different ‘universe’ unless they retcon the character into being transgender.
It’s no longer the inception of these characters and settings, that was done fifty years previous, so such big changes are no longer easily done. Trek is the product of its various times, and much has been set.
In any fiction narrative however, unless a specific use of the trait in the story is needed, gender of a character is irrelevant and simply a choice made by the originator of the narrative. In SF and F you can quite happily ignore all of human history, or suggest ‘things have changed’ or ‘things are different here’ because it’s fiction. Changing genders at the beginning is as easy as putting a line through a character name and replacing it, then a couple of pronoun changes. Heck, you may not even have to change the name.
It’s fiction.
These are all things you tactfully say to someone in order not to hurt their feelings concerning the truth!
And on Valentine's Day no less. How shameful.
I could still buy 1) The Crossfield class is as old as the registry #'s indicate, but the Glenn & Discovery are new builds or 2) The Glenn and Discovery are also as old as the registry #'s indicate, but have been rebuilt/refitted and like the TMP Enterprise are "almost entirely new ships".
I think either option works, but I'd go for 2 due to the registries. They were both - presumably - extensively refitted to include the spore drive elements such as the spinning saucer plates.
I think the original Crossfields look like the earlier art we saw - stubby nacelles, no saucer gaps etc. That ship looked a lot older than the Constitution for me. It's a saucer with a big flat engineering deck and some nacelles, pretty basic.
I am not being obtuse. You said that only events are canon. How does changing character's gender change the events?
It's not a big deal in the enlightened Star Trek future. And as someone noted, I'm talking about narrative, the events would not need to change if you changed character's gender.
I can't find it on there, but even then...what about if the look of a thing is explicitly part of a storyline or dialogue?
That character had some romance does't really need to be affected by their gender.
If we're supposed to just pretend that the Klingons and their ships always were like that, we could just do the same for female Scotty.
Yep.
With Scotty? Pretty much screws up Wolf In The Fold.
Not any more than DIS Klingon cloak screws up the Balance of Terror. And the point is really not about any specific character anyway.
Nope. It isn't an alternate reality.
You just need to accept that things need to change for 21st century audiences. The show isn't only for you.
This is the sense in which I understood you to be writing, in which case it's true of most plot-dirve driven TV and film - and almost all popular culture narrative is built around plot, however well-drawn the characters may be considered to be.
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