If you compare evil Kirk from "The Enemy Within" to mirror Kirk, that raises an interesting question. What's the other side of the mirror? What would a weak, ineffective Kirk (and crew) look like?
The other mirror universe
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Kirk in TEW didn't just get separated into good and evil parts.
While "good" Kirk lost the ability to be decisive, "evil" Kirk lost the ability to exercise self-control of his impulses and suffered from wide emotional swings.
How long would an entire crew with no self-control and the inability to handle their most casual of impulses last?
Say by some method they did. And say that humanity valued behaving that way.
A whole crew of "The Enemy Within"-style wimps would be quite content to stay in Earth orbit, in one of those "dry dock" scaffoldings, because they aren't quite through testing and re-testing all ship's systems. And let's face it, you don't want to rush into anything as complicated and dangerous as deep-space flight. It might be best to sleep on it and see if all systems are still testing good tomorrow. 
The coffee maker needs more simulations on it's flow sensors.
Well the flaw of a "real" Mirror universe is that the same crew would never be together and most likely the Enterprise wouldn't exist or at least the crew wouldn't be on it.
Saying that if by some chance the crew were together in a "good" universe then they probably would have perished by now but who knows.
I'm thinking that Kirk might have already been killed by the Salt Vampire. However they may have backed off and just abandoned it on the planet with heaps of salt before it came to that.
I'm also thinking that Gary Mitchell would have wiped them out as Kirk would have hesitated too long. However Gary would have also been "good" so he probably wouldn't have killed everyone - maybe just kept the crew as adorable pets
Saying that if by some chance the crew were together in a "good" universe then they probably would have perished by now but who knows.
I'm thinking that Kirk might have already been killed by the Salt Vampire. However they may have backed off and just abandoned it on the planet with heaps of salt before it came to that.
I'm also thinking that Gary Mitchell would have wiped them out as Kirk would have hesitated too long. However Gary would have also been "good" so he probably wouldn't have killed everyone - maybe just kept the crew as adorable pets
In the Mirror Universe, I'm sure that Kirk would have had Crater and Nancy executed immediately when it was known his men were being found dead! The same with most stories of the show. Gary Mitchell would have killed as soon as Spock told Kirk that Mitchell was a threat to Kirk's ship and maybe this Mitchell wasn't as evil as this universe's version was, maybe he was talking about eternal love and peace instead of destruction! Mirror Universe Kirk probably killed any character that was deemed a threat to his command and may have decided to run away from creatures like the Vampire Cloud instead of confronting it!
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By the way I'm sure the mirror universe seen in Discovery is not the same one we saw in TOS! I thought it was cheap to have Sarek turn up in it wearing a beard too! Spock did it first and better!
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I believe the mirror universe was created in a flash by the ion storm accident. It's a bad Xerox copy, and that explains how the same crew could exist despite being so morally different that they would never follow identical career paths with the prime universe.
I wouldn't argue with you considering I'm a TOS fan through and through but do you accept the ENT version and how would you explain it and the DIS story?
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I believe that each version of the mirror universe (TOS, DS9, ENT, STD) is an independently-created phenomenon that comes into existence in a flash, as an imperfect ("evil") copy of the prime universe. Once created, an MU's people have false memories and history that seem to go all the way back, even though they've existed for minutes. The MUs don't last long; they fade out of existence after a brief time.
There is simply no other way to explain how such similar persons, with the same names, jobs, and so on, could be conceived and born in a setting and culture so different. In a "permanent" MU, different relationships would form, different babies would be conceived. To say nothing of how it could happen for generation after generation, for decades of history. The MUs have to be imperfect flash-copies of the prime universe "as it is" at a given moment (Kirk's time, Archer's time, etc.).
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We have to be careful about DSC spoilers, but I will say my opinion is: I don't think the original DSC universe is "our" universe either.
One explanation I heard for the Mirror universes to be so similar so as to meet together at Halkan is that some (Twilight Zoneish) force is trying to push them along the same path.
I just take the Mirror Mirror episode to be a "fun" chance for the cast to play "bad guys", to dress up in skimpy outfits, a great fight, for Spock to have a beard, the Agony Booth, the agoniser. Great fun to be had by all except maybe Chekov and McCoy. In the end we had a sort of uplifting message.
I think the other series didn't have enough "fun" with the concept. I found ENTs to be quite disturbing although I liked the twist with Hoshi at the end.
I think VOY did the only realistic Mirror Mirror type thing when they created the duplicate ship.
I just take the Mirror Mirror episode to be a "fun" chance for the cast to play "bad guys", to dress up in skimpy outfits, a great fight, for Spock to have a beard, the Agony Booth, the agoniser. Great fun to be had by all except maybe Chekov and McCoy. In the end we had a sort of uplifting message.
I think the other series didn't have enough "fun" with the concept. I found ENTs to be quite disturbing although I liked the twist with Hoshi at the end.
I think VOY did the only realistic Mirror Mirror type thing when they created the duplicate ship.
Yes, didn't the original Harry Kim die only to be replaced by his duplicate? It's many a year since I've seen any VOY episodes!
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Destiny. Doesn't exist in real life but it does in Trek's world. No matter how messed up the timeline is, the same people will interact in the same place and do lots of the same things. The Enterprise-D was taken down by Klingon Birds of Prey in 2 timelines, Kirk or Spock sacrifice themselves to save the Enterprise in a conflict with Khan, Seven replaced Kes getting the torpedo frequency in Year of Hell...
The entire crew being on the Enterprise in the Kelvin universe was ridiculous too, especially the ages and their different looks and personalities,
Except if you just consider its just a fictional universe and lets have some fun.
Except if you just consider its just a fictional universe and lets have some fun.
Never mind the fact that the entire crew is on the ship in the Kelvin universe (Yeoman Rand excepted) but what about the futuristic technology they possess compared to the TOS reality? I'd say that was of a greater importance!
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^ Blame Nero's incursion in 2233, either that or the Kelvinverse was always 50 years ahead due to the TCW.
Yeoman Rand is on the ship, you just have not seen her yet, there are over 400 crew after all. You also have not seen Riley, M'Benga, Masters, M'Ress, Kyle, Palomas and Arex either.
Plus Chekov should not even be there!
Yeoman Rand is on the ship, you just have not seen her yet, there are over 400 crew after all. You also have not seen Riley, M'Benga, Masters, M'Ress, Kyle, Palomas and Arex either.
Plus Chekov should not even be there!
Weak, effective Starfleet would not even exist, the old Coalition would still be debating whether its a good idea to form a Federation. Earth might be under the influence of a Terra Prime state based on fear and timidity instead of fear, violence and xenophobia. In fact there would be no First contact since Cochran never made up his mind about that rocket so Dr Lily Sloane sold it to the Eastern Coalition.
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