I'd like an episode about Detmer. I find her so fascinating yet know nothing about her. I'd like to know more about her instead of Michael's problems of the week.
Spoilers Why do the same recurring characters implausibly keep popping up?
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Because GoT or Walking Dead are the immediate comparisons, which are based upon prior properties, adaptations, not full blown new productions. That's why I look at Season 1 of a ton of shows. Most Trek's faced the difficulty of living in the shadow of the previous one, and they are an appropriate comparison because of expanding the world, not adapting a work from another format. That brings its own host of issues.
And, if I'm comparing DISCO to "prestige telivision" then I lean towards "Daredevil." Guess what? Cast was limited, the ones that we get to know are primarily four (Matt, Wilson Fisk, Foggy [though in relationship to Matt] and Karen). Most of the ancillary characters we get to know through their relationship with the primary ones (Wesley as a stand in for Fisk, Ben through Paige, Matt and Claire, etc). Things are very tight, very focused on the larger implications are left outside of the show's arc, until later.
The Duras Sisters were not in Unification.
Taris was going to be brought back in Face of the Enemy, until someone mistakenly thought she had been killed in Contagion, so they ended up with a new character played by the same actress.
No I understood you fine, I just think you're wrong and making gross generalisations. I'll say it again, there are plenty of posters who dislike discovery and regularly express those opinions in this forum. Every single thread in this forum has posts from people who have issues with discovery. As someone who likes Discovery, i have no issue with people disliking it. This place is not an echo chamber for either Discovery fans or it's detractors.
That's how the klingons won the war. Pretty easy to win a war when you're fighting the same number of people as a soccer team.
They didn't actually appear no, but they were mentioned by Picard in the 'threat' used to get Gauron to lend him a Cloak-equipped ship. I do remember them actually appearing at least one more time on TNG after Redemption, before the series finale and their subsequent appearance in Generations, but I don't recall the episode name or the TNG Season it was in.
Yeah Firstborn - it was the one with Alexander from the future - we find out Lursa is pregnant, which makes her death in Generations quite poignant. They also pop up in DS9's Past Prologue early in season one.
I'm not convinced Game of Thrones is a fair comparison - they were adapting a massive novel, first in a series of massive novels, which laid out all those characters and plotlines in advance. Adaptation and writing TV from scratch are two very different things, as GoT has shown since running past the end of the books. The Walking Dead also had source material to work from. Even Orange is the New Black, another streaming show which has a large variety of characters, had a source book to run from which itself was semi based on reality.
Discovery is a first season of an original startup show. Others that are comparable to it in that respect, such as The Good Place, Orphan Black, Sense8, Travellers, House of Cards, Homeland, Grimm, How To Get Away With Murder have comparable cast sizes and scope in year one and indeed beyond.
While as others have noted some of the details may be off, I understand your point.
This sort of touches on another point though - typically in serialized TV, the series has a sense of broader direction from season to season. There's a set number of seasons (four, seven, whatever) that the writers want to tell their story within. The first season often ends in its own climax, but mostly helps to "set the table" for the remainder of the series run.
Discovery isn't doing this. It's pretty clear they didn't have a multi-season plan. They had a plan for a single season, and didn't begin figuring out Season 2 until season 1 was almost done filming. This may be why all of the arcs seem cramped and amped up to an absurd level. Realistically they should have taken something like the Ash Tyler/Voq arc and extended it out over multiple seasons. And they should be introducing a lot of characters now which they have deeper plans for for Season 2 and beyond. But the season is really being treated as its own self-contained thing - sort of a giant episode within a broader procedural show - rather than part of a bigger story.
I read it right, I just wasn't thinking of Rotten Tomatoes.
Your point is valid. But I will still be curious to see how that audience score lines up with viewership trends and overall audience size.
I think the problem, if it is a problem (I don't mind), is the lack of a bridge ensemble, coupled with a ship on mainly secret missions captained by someone who is on the run.
It narrows the contact we have with people on board and in the bigger universe at large.
I don't think I am expressing accurately what I mean, but hopefully you get the gist.
It narrows the contact we have with people on board and in the bigger universe at large.
I don't think I am expressing accurately what I mean, but hopefully you get the gist.
Agreed. That was my larger point that GoT is a poor comparison because there is already so much material there.
Well, then they should have gotten their ducks in a row and rewatched that episode. I think it would have been cool if Taris was the Romulan commander in that episode, IMO.
It would have been nice, but I doubt they had the time to rewatch it.
Afraid not. Here's that conversation in its entirety:
No reference to the Duras sisters at all.
It's an obvious threat to go to Gowron's political rivals, and given his role in securing Gowron's victory in the very recent civil war against the Duras family, you don't have to read too far between the lines.
And what happened to her face. I don't think she was injured in the first two episodes? What happened to her between 2nd and 3rd episode?
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