Or was a die hard TOS’er and took that character by her word
Discovery Size Argument™ thread
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And STIV (USS Saratoga).
All right, I'll bite. I decided to take things into my own hands, and make a home brew diagram of the Discovery scaled next to the refit Enterprise and the Excelsior. Granted, in my diagram the Discovery is much smaller than the official size of 750 meters; in my diagram it comes in at roughly half of that, although I couldn't tell you how long that it actually is (roughly 425 meters, maybe?). For those who are curious about how I got this size scale, it was from a picture of someone in a spacesuit standing on the outer edge of the Discovery's saucer. I took said image, compared it to a full size image of Discovery, then compared the spacesuit person in the first image to the docking hatches on the refit Enterprise. Finally, I compared the two ships to the Excelsior (which I had scaled at 544 meters based on a post on the thread on this forum titled "Scaling the Excelsior Filming Model"). Thus, I ended up with the scale you see below. One final note: I had to invert the color of the Discovery to make the image not look too garish. The color obviously does not affect the scale, though.
All right, I'll bite. I decided to take things into my own hands, and make a home brew diagram of the Discovery scaled next to the refit Enterprise and the Excelsior. Granted, in my diagram the Discovery is much smaller than the official size of 750 meters; in my diagram it comes in at roughly half of that, although I couldn't tell you how long that it actually is (roughly 425 meters, maybe?). For those who are curious about how I got this size scale, it was from a picture of someone in a spacesuit standing on the outer edge of the Discovery's saucer. I took said image, compared it to a full size image of Discovery, then compared the spacesuit person in the first image to the docking hatches on the refit Enterprise. Finally, I compared the two ships to the Excelsior (which I had scaled at 544 meters based on a post on the thread on this forum titled "Scaling the Excelsior Filming Model"). Thus, I ended up with the scale you see below. One final note: I had to invert the color of the Discovery to make the image not look too garish. The color obviously does not affect the scale, though.
Looks good. Honestly, I would not mind rescaling all the old ships as they are all over the place. Even at 750, the Discovery will not have as much usable deckspace I think.
Way better. I think Eaglemoss or CBS screwed up the size numbers. Honestly it's the same with the Kelvin films, the Ship size on screen does not match the ship size in official numbers.All right, I'll bite. I decided to take things into my own hands, and make a home brew diagram of the Discovery scaled next to the refit Enterprise and the Excelsior. Granted, in my diagram the Discovery is much smaller than the official size of 750 meters; in my diagram it comes in at roughly half of that, although I couldn't tell you how long that it actually is (roughly 425 meters, maybe?). For those who are curious about how I got this size scale, it was from a picture of someone in a spacesuit standing on the outer edge of the Discovery's saucer. I took said image, compared it to a full size image of Discovery, then compared the spacesuit person in the first image to the docking hatches on the refit Enterprise. Finally, I compared the two ships to the Excelsior (which I had scaled at 544 meters based on a post on the thread on this forum titled "Scaling the Excelsior Filming Model"). Thus, I ended up with the scale you see below. One final note: I had to invert the color of the Discovery to make the image not look too garish. The color obviously does not affect the scale, though.
What do you mean? The Kelvin Enterprise can't be any smaller than the official length if you go by the sets we see on screen.
Eaglemoss don't just pull numbers out of their arse, they get the CGI models and statistics direct from CBS.
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They didn’t screw up the numbers, they work fine if we go with what we saw on screen.
Seriously the shuttle bay, viewscreen and walk ways prove this.
Yeah I agree. There have been zero shots of Discovey that imply it’s and smaller than 750 meters. I think people still have their mind’s eye version of the ship in their head and just assume it’s smaller, when really it’s always scaled to approximately the official 750 meters. If that makes any sense.
You’re correct, it’s waaay to small in this picture. That picture of the space suit person on the hull was proven to be out of scale.All right, I'll bite. I decided to take things into my own hands, and make a home brew diagram of the Discovery scaled next to the refit Enterprise and the Excelsior. Granted, in my diagram the Discovery is much smaller than the official size of 750 meters; in my diagram it comes in at roughly half of that, although I couldn't tell you how long that it actually is (roughly 425 meters, maybe?). For those who are curious about how I got this size scale, it was from a picture of someone in a spacesuit standing on the outer edge of the Discovery's saucer. I took said image, compared it to a full size image of Discovery, then compared the spacesuit person in the first image to the docking hatches on the refit Enterprise. Finally, I compared the two ships to the Excelsior (which I had scaled at 544 meters based on a post on the thread on this forum titled "Scaling the Excelsior Filming Model"). Thus, I ended up with the scale you see below. One final note: I had to invert the color of the Discovery to make the image not look too garish. The color obviously does not affect the scale, though.
Looking at your chart, the Discovery’s command sphere section, which is known to contain at least 7-8 decks, is barely taller than the Refit’s entire bridge module, which is 2-3 decks (depending on which plans you look at)
No it isn't. The sphere extends from the top of Discovery's saucer to the bottom. To me, it looks like it's the height of at least half the Constitution saucer, which is between 12-14 decks I believe.
Given the original quoted size of the TOS Enterprise (900ish feet), it would probably make more sense for Discovery to be 750 feet. That being said, I'm happy with making the Enterprise 450m instead of the standard 300m.
I still think the 750m figure is way to big. These aren't engineers who design the ships -- they're graphic designers and film people. I don't have confidence that they actually know how big a meter is (trust me -- I teach them).
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Its almost as if they don't like the size of the ships these days...
Ugggh
The size skeptics rear their ugly heads again
The size skeptics rear their ugly heads again
I think folks need to accept what we all know for fact, Trek ship sizes have always been BS and often conflicting. I am in full support of rescaling older ships to fit sizes that make sense. Like ya know, being able to fit 10 forward.
The Stage 9 fan recreation of the Ent-D did that IIRC. But not only for 10 forward, but because of other rooms as well.
What was the final size, you know?
I’m not sure if they said.
They’re basing a lot of it off Sternbach’s blue prints, but favouring the show where it is possible.
I think it would have to end up taller at the very least. I am not sure how big the Excelsior would end up. I have been on trek forums and pages long enough to know every ship is wrong lol. I think the Obreth, the Defiant and those fighters are the ones that change size the most though.
All right, I'll bite. I decided to take things into my own hands, and make a home brew diagram of the Discovery scaled next to the refit Enterprise and the Excelsior. Granted, in my diagram the Discovery is much smaller than the official size of 750 meters; in my diagram it comes in at roughly half of that, although I couldn't tell you how long that it actually is (roughly 425 meters, maybe?). For those who are curious about how I got this size scale, it was from a picture of someone in a spacesuit standing on the outer edge of the Discovery's saucer. I took said image, compared it to a full size image of Discovery, then compared the spacesuit person in the first image to the docking hatches on the refit Enterprise. Finally, I compared the two ships to the Excelsior (which I had scaled at 544 meters based on a post on the thread on this forum titled "Scaling the Excelsior Filming Model"). Thus, I ended up with the scale you see below. One final note: I had to invert the color of the Discovery to make the image not look too garish. The color obviously does not affect the scale, though.
So, how do you fit a five-deck shuttlebay into a space half the height of the Constitution's bay?
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