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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"

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Yeah, it's very similar. And their behavior as well, it seems. Either they're fanatical teenage fascist robots who won't question insane orders or they're sabotaging planetary energy systems as part of a coup attempt on the Federation President or they're making reckless training maneuvers and blaming the one cadet who got killed for the whole thing. It's strange that Starfleet would not disband this group...

That last one was Nova Squadron, not Red Squad.
 
Gotta give the DSC characters a bit more time before declaring that no development has taken place.

Yes, I'm giving DSC the time. Mainly, because it's such a fantastic show in itself. And there's plenty of time for it to come into its own Trek space in the future.
 
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he hadn't been pushed up the chain swiftly and nonmeritoriously.

It's quite normal in modern day militaries for doctors to graduate at higher ranks. They are much higher qualified than the average graduate, need authority in their jobs, and also they have to have pay grades which are at least similar to what they could expect as a civilian doctor. We can argue elsewhere over whether the latter applies to Starfleet....

Lorca probably specifically requested that Tilly take her middie cruise on the Discovery because he knew she'll be needed to play the ISS Discovery's captain when he got home.

Yeah, the Lorca-orchestrated-it-all plotline explains Tilly and Landry as much as Stamets and Burnham. Lorca wanted the people he knew on the other side.
 
Killy is an overachiever. She killed people three at a time to get to the top faster.

She's an engineering genius. I like to think precocious Cadet Killy developing some sort of undetectable transporter drone kit, and then using it to instantaneously kill 50 people above her one day.

MU Rhys: "What the hell is happening?!"
MU Killy: "I have no idea, but if you make me Captain, it will probably stop."
 
Yeah, it's very similar. And their behavior as well, it seems. Either they're fanatical teenage fascist robots who won't question insane orders or they're sabotaging planetary energy systems as part of a coup attempt on the Federation President or they're making reckless training maneuvers and blaming the one cadet who got killed for the whole thing. It's strange that Starfleet would not disband this group...
Young cadets like that are full of piss and vinegar anyway, all thinking they're completely invincible and acting like Audie Murphy with 'roid rage. Saw it in ROTC all the time back in the day. They're all looking to make their bones and be visible enough to command so that they have a better sponsor and MOS pick by the time they graduate and land their commission. In the situation of the Valiant, you add a "Lord of the Flies" scenario into an already toxic mix of youthful bravado and you wind up getting a baby silverback gorilla playing with a thermonuclear device. They were quite accurately portrayed, IMO. :)
 
Imagine Lorca's reaction when he expected Capt. Killy and got Tilly. Kind of a shame we didn't get to see that.
In his farewell speech to the crew he seemed proud of the work he'd done ramping them up. I think he took it as a challenge to get these wierd hippy-cult members into some kind of fighting shape.
 
The cadet turned acting Captain in DS9 Valiant. Kirk going from suspended cadet to Captain in a day in ST09 then ordered back to cadet and then back to Captain again in a day in Into Darkness.
But that was painfully stupid.

(Not that I have a problem with Tilly, they're probably not gonna make her captain for reals.)
 
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