Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"
- Thread starter Commander Richard
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Mirror Barclay
think about it.
Was presumably Will Riker. Suddenly the beard makes sense...
Yeah, a Barclay that's actually a competent Engineer...scary!Mirror Barclay
think about it.
In fairness he did eventually get his big win, with Voyager.Yeah, a Barclay that's actually a competent Engineer...scary!
Yes and? That's the part of the ship's mission that was relevant to the current situation. If they were delivering medical supplies or stopping a Klingon raid on a Federation colony that's the part Kirk would have referred to. No sure why this is so difficult to understand. The ship wears many hats.
Yeah, a Barclay that's actually a competent Engineer...scary!
I don't think he was ever incompetent. He had personality issues.
When you put it that way, it makes me wonder if the story is true. Maybe the emperor is manipulating Burnham with a lie.
Why would she lie? At that moment she knows Burnham is not her Burnham and believes that Lorca is not her Lorca. She gains nothing by lying to Burnham about MU Lorca because as far as either of them are concerned he’s dead. So the Emperor is turning Burnham against a dead man...
Yeah that makes such perfect sense.
I just thought of something:
If Lorca got all his info from the Defiant logs, which is likely(he would know about the Buran, Burnham, Prime Landry, etc-to assemble his team). Then, he would also know how the war ends, and that the Federalies aren't conquered, and all his speeches about "and we MUST win the war" was just more of his slick talking. As he basically has a crystal ball of heavily detailed info about the next 10 years.
Barclay was the brain child of the first transgalactic phone call. He is Da MAN!
If Lorca got all his info from the Defiant logs, which is likely(he would know about the Buran, Burnham, Prime Landry, etc-to assemble his team). Then, he would also know how the war ends, and that the Federalies aren't conquered, and all his speeches about "and we MUST win the war" was just more of his slick talking. As he basically has a crystal ball of heavily detailed info about the next 10 years.
Barclay is extremely competent. He's just an awkward procrastinator.... who sometimes gets too much involved with his fantasies ...and is scared of spiders... And transporters...sometimes..Yeah, a Barclay that's actually a competent Engineer...scary!
Barclay was the brain child of the first transgalactic phone call. He is Da MAN!
Why? Because for all she knows this Burnham and her MU Lorca planned something together (Remember Burnham had successfully been masquerading as her MU counterpart.) The Emperor is also fully aware of what someone from the PU Federation is like (and she sees anyone from the PU as dangerous); so yeah, anything she can do to create doubt in Burnham regarding MU Lorca may foil whatever MU Lorca has planned.
I came across this post of mine from shortly after 'Choose Your Pain'. Sigh. Past me was wise, it was a big disappointment. Even if it is only Lorca they ruin.
She clearly suspects Lorca is her Lorca. She quotes his time and space threat, and keeps him in the agoniser despite the suggestion he is not her Lorca. She may even outright know for certain, depending on what’s in the Defiant logs. She may just delight in manipulating people, and she is clearly doing that in every scene she has with Burnham. Turning her against Lorca is good insurance...if her suspicions are correct about him, and his betrayal being a constant, then she takes a weapon away from him by turning Michael. She’s an evil emperor. None of those ever work out well in the history stories.
Waitasec.
If he had future knowledge, then went and used that knowledge to his advantage, did he not perhaps alter events, thus making Discovery a new timeline from the point at which he crossed over?
Perhaps he wasn't supposed to assemble his Discovery crew, and their lives would have all been different.
Well, it’s strongly implied he essentially attacked her prisoner transport shuttle, thereby killing the pilot, in order to get her on his ship. Maybe Burnham gets taken out by 29th century time cops to preserve the timeline.
He got curious, read his file(real Lorca's file) just like Mirror Archer, Hoshi, T'Pol, etc got curious about their counterparts. He learned that the Buran was destroyed, her captain presumed to have gone down with the ship, then his counterpart was found alive, and went on to command discovery.
He'd literally be reading his literal future, and know everything that happens up until Disco disappears on route to Starbase 43.
He'd literally be reading his literal future, and know everything that happens up until Disco disappears on route to Starbase 43.
