Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"
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The only reason I went back and watched was to see if he did say it as well, cause it sounded right
Oh snap! It didn't work, but thanks for thinking of me.
Engineers with phaser rifles, who all appear to be junior members of the Lou Ferigno appreciation society.
Nah I'm pretty sure they were a part of a Section 31 idea that many speculated that Fuller was angling at. That concept likely disappeared when he did, and the black badges along with it.
Okay, hear me out: what if the black badges were a mirror security detail brought over to the Prime Discoverse, along with Mirror Landry (killed by Ripper) and Mirror Lorca. Terran Section 31 Black-Ops - who all disappeared because...
[saddestmoon gets coat]
Not if that POW is in the process of attacking a Starfleet officer. Every second Voq was "imprinted" on Tyler (which had originally been done against Tyler's will), could be considered an attack on Tyler, especially since the process appeared to be harming Tyler. It wasn't Saru's intent to harm or kill Voq, what he wanted was to save Tyler's life by whatever means were available and if that meant harming or killing Voq, so be it (at least from Saru's standpoint).
Did anybody else notice that the PADD Lorca was looking at that contained the redacted information on the Defiant had modern day smartphone or tablet icons on it? The PADD was a redressed tablet with 23rd century Starfleet buttons and controls added to it along with a new outer shell but the producers either forgot to remove the "Daytime" and "Nighttime" viewing and screen brightness icons from the display or deliberately left them on the screen as a subtle in-joke about modern day phones and other devices.
It was something I didn't notice at first but upon seeing it I had to wonder if the producers forgot to remove the tablet's icons from the display before shooting the screen.
It was something I didn't notice at first but upon seeing it I had to wonder if the producers forgot to remove the tablet's icons from the display before shooting the screen.
So Voq is dead? That entire storyline was so utterly pointless. They killed T'kuvma, Kol and now Voq. Great stuff. *rolls eyes*.
As if it wasn't utterly, utterly ridiculous enough to transform a Klingon into a human with a human personality... it was all for absolutely nothing.
How f-ing ridiculous.
As if it wasn't utterly, utterly ridiculous enough to transform a Klingon into a human with a human personality... it was all for absolutely nothing.
How f-ing ridiculous.
Voq's memory engrams and identity may well be dead and gone, yes. Since all that was left of Voq was a surgically-altered body made to look human and neural programming and memory transfer then I'd say he probably is deceased and all that's left is Ash Tyler and whatever memories he now has of accessing Voq's information and emotions.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/01/second-star-trek-discovery-comic-series-succession-due-in-april/
The next DSC comic story line will be set in the mirror Universe
The next DSC comic story line will be set in the mirror Universe
In that case, what terrible, terrible, writing.
Yeah, the DSC writers definitely aren't the best the franchise has ever had working for it.
Kind of glad they dropped it, if indeed they did. It would be good to leave Sec31 mysterious. The occasional hint they are out there doing stuff is good, but as a viewer id like to leave a few things besides the lack of toilets a mystery in the trek universe.Engineers with phaser rifles, who all appear to be junior members of the Lou Ferigno appreciation society.
Nah I'm pretty sure they were a part of a Section 31 idea that many speculated that Fuller was angling at. That concept likely disappeared when he did, and the black badges along with it.
I don't think there's anything in all of Star Trek I care less about or find lamer than Section 31.
I'd rather have the Warp 10 Lizards carry Beverly Crusher's lamp back to the Code of Honor planet to play a game of "If Wishes Were Horses" with Gorgon the Friendly Angel than I would watch anything to do with S31.
I don't understand the weird fan obsession with it.
I'd rather have the Warp 10 Lizards carry Beverly Crusher's lamp back to the Code of Honor planet to play a game of "If Wishes Were Horses" with Gorgon the Friendly Angel than I would watch anything to do with S31.
I don't understand the weird fan obsession with it.
It's interesting to see that we are conditioned to expect certain plots to be successful, regardless of circumstance. Otherwise it's 'pointless' as a plot, right? Well, no. Maybe sometimes it's good to see that nefarious plots fail because of unforeseen setbacks.
This is the same argument I have with some detractors of the latest SW Last Jedi. Finn and Rose's plot was not pointless. It was needed to show what happens when a plot fails, it was needed to enable a betrayal so that the evacuation was in jeopardy and it was needed to seed the idea of a Resistance to the next generation - the boy listening to tales of Luke's exploits and wearing Rose's decoder ring at the end. A new hope is born out of what many would call tactical failures. Umm duhh. It was even explicitly mentioned in the movie that sometimes failures lead to the best lessons/wisdom. Whatever happened to learning from our mistakes if we survive them?
Why do we always expect every plot twist to be successful? This is something I didn't think about much until this year. Why are we so addicted to a formula where everyone who hatches a plan needs to succeed or come close to succeeding? Because antagonists or protagonists, for that matter, have to be clever, brilliant, preternaturally lucky. A worthy opponent or a worthy hero. We can't stomach those who are mediocre. Losers who mean well, or have grand designs but never quite follow through.
Why is that?
Why can't failure also affect the developments of our characters and the plots moving forward. L'Rell did what she could in a desperate situation to give Voq a mission to regain what he'd lost. In the end, his Tyler personality overlay fucked it up by bonding so strongly with Burnham that the activation sequence didn't work as intended. Or at least not when it was timely. It was a valiant, if convoluted effort, but she didn't have a lot of elbow room given the circumstances. In the end she chose to let Voq go, mourning him properly, allowing him to 'die with honor' rather than languish & suffer in a weakened struggle for supremacy. How is this not good narrative stuff?
Isn't Burnham the prime example of someone who had good intentions who ultimately failed and made a bad mistake? But there's still somewhere to go from there, since she's not dead and not locked away somewhere. She's still growing as a person and (hopefully) learning from her past mistakes.
Are we so jaded or conditioned as viewers that we have to have every gambit (evil or not) pay off? That's not realistic at all. L'Rell and Voq had nothing left, they gambled it all on an infiltration plot. It went belly up and they had to react to that. In the end Voq failed in his mission to sabotage the Federation and was banished from AshVoq. But Tyler will still be bearing the scars of what Voq did when he was dominant. His very identity is in question. He's an engram, a copy of a real persona layered onto a Klingon brain and altered klingon body. There's so much more to be mined here in terms of a crisis of identity and ideology, imo.
This is the same argument I have with some detractors of the latest SW Last Jedi. Finn and Rose's plot was not pointless. It was needed to show what happens when a plot fails, it was needed to enable a betrayal so that the evacuation was in jeopardy and it was needed to seed the idea of a Resistance to the next generation - the boy listening to tales of Luke's exploits and wearing Rose's decoder ring at the end. A new hope is born out of what many would call tactical failures. Umm duhh. It was even explicitly mentioned in the movie that sometimes failures lead to the best lessons/wisdom. Whatever happened to learning from our mistakes if we survive them?
Why do we always expect every plot twist to be successful? This is something I didn't think about much until this year. Why are we so addicted to a formula where everyone who hatches a plan needs to succeed or come close to succeeding? Because antagonists or protagonists, for that matter, have to be clever, brilliant, preternaturally lucky. A worthy opponent or a worthy hero. We can't stomach those who are mediocre. Losers who mean well, or have grand designs but never quite follow through.
Why is that?
Why can't failure also affect the developments of our characters and the plots moving forward. L'Rell did what she could in a desperate situation to give Voq a mission to regain what he'd lost. In the end, his Tyler personality overlay fucked it up by bonding so strongly with Burnham that the activation sequence didn't work as intended. Or at least not when it was timely. It was a valiant, if convoluted effort, but she didn't have a lot of elbow room given the circumstances. In the end she chose to let Voq go, mourning him properly, allowing him to 'die with honor' rather than languish & suffer in a weakened struggle for supremacy. How is this not good narrative stuff?
Isn't Burnham the prime example of someone who had good intentions who ultimately failed and made a bad mistake? But there's still somewhere to go from there, since she's not dead and not locked away somewhere. She's still growing as a person and (hopefully) learning from her past mistakes.
Are we so jaded or conditioned as viewers that we have to have every gambit (evil or not) pay off? That's not realistic at all. L'Rell and Voq had nothing left, they gambled it all on an infiltration plot. It went belly up and they had to react to that. In the end Voq failed in his mission to sabotage the Federation and was banished from AshVoq. But Tyler will still be bearing the scars of what Voq did when he was dominant. His very identity is in question. He's an engram, a copy of a real persona layered onto a Klingon brain and altered klingon body. There's so much more to be mined here in terms of a crisis of identity and ideology, imo.
I was just watching the vault blu ray and they showed a clip of Kirk from The Corbomite Maneuver: "What's the mission of this vessel, Doctor? To seek out and contact alien life. And an opportunity to demonstrate what our high-sounding words mean. Any questions?"
Well, I'm afraid that Isaac won't come again in Season 2, if suddenly he becomes bad and choose to stay in MU universe.
But to be honest, being a MU Lorca is not a reason why Lorca won't stay in Discovery. What prevent the only one do justice character from a bad people universe to lead the show. It will make him more unique. And why should we believe what the MU Emperor Georgieu said to Burham. We know that she's a political figure. The ruler of a universe. And she's bad. So what prevent her to lie to Burnham so Burnham will fight against Lorca, the enemy of the empire?
But to be honest, being a MU Lorca is not a reason why Lorca won't stay in Discovery. What prevent the only one do justice character from a bad people universe to lead the show. It will make him more unique. And why should we believe what the MU Emperor Georgieu said to Burham. We know that she's a political figure. The ruler of a universe. And she's bad. So what prevent her to lie to Burnham so Burnham will fight against Lorca, the enemy of the empire?
This and Lorca in the same episode broke me. It turned me from "Meh it's a watchable scifi show I guess" to "This is actually awful"
Sad, because Episode 10 I really enjoyed along with 7.
I need more power to the like button damnit.
It's so inconvenient that one has to sleep every now and then. Okay, catching up...
Or then their very intention was to create ominous confusion... A valid cliffhanger technique, one that often angers the viewers of Part II (to see where it leads, read Stephen King's Misery).
Three comments:
1) I like that kind of crazy!
2) They cheated, the same way "Data" cheated when Riker challenged him to make a warp calculation in "Future Imperfect" - choosing the easy warp one was arbitrary when TOS shuttles could apparently do a tad better already.
3) Probably the real cheat went the other way, though: they shot a scene, then they decided on a distance from ship to palace based on the running length of that scene.
But MU Stamets already told his counterpart that he works for the Emperor, in a lab at her ship.
It's not quite Game of Thrones level of surprise backstabbing with a three-meter-long spear coming through the victim's chest, then - more like this being a predictable race between Good and Evil.
My usual take has been a variant of Noname Given's: when we first meet Lorca, they are nowhere near a breakthrough with the spore drive, yet the ship is full of airheaded scientists working on what Saru potentially refers to as 300 parallel experiments. I could well see the mission being heavily segmented, so that those striving to create Federation Cloaking Devices are kept away from those trying to build a Long Range Transporter at gunpoint, and nobody, but nobody, can meet the Spore People.
Once a single line of experimentation pans out, Lorca disembarks all the Cloakers and Transporters ASAP, and suddenly the ship has a skeleton crew (when she seemed jam-packed, TOS style, when the prisoners were first marched through the corridors).
Timo Saloniemi
Or then their very intention was to create ominous confusion... A valid cliffhanger technique, one that often angers the viewers of Part II (to see where it leads, read Stephen King's Misery).
Three comments:
1) I like that kind of crazy!
2) They cheated, the same way "Data" cheated when Riker challenged him to make a warp calculation in "Future Imperfect" - choosing the easy warp one was arbitrary when TOS shuttles could apparently do a tad better already.
3) Probably the real cheat went the other way, though: they shot a scene, then they decided on a distance from ship to palace based on the running length of that scene.
But MU Stamets already told his counterpart that he works for the Emperor, in a lab at her ship.
It's not quite Game of Thrones level of surprise backstabbing with a three-meter-long spear coming through the victim's chest, then - more like this being a predictable race between Good and Evil.
I still have yet to understand what was up with the the black badge crewmembers. They were shown once and never seen again. That has to be explained or I'm certain to go into a rage about it.
My usual take has been a variant of Noname Given's: when we first meet Lorca, they are nowhere near a breakthrough with the spore drive, yet the ship is full of airheaded scientists working on what Saru potentially refers to as 300 parallel experiments. I could well see the mission being heavily segmented, so that those striving to create Federation Cloaking Devices are kept away from those trying to build a Long Range Transporter at gunpoint, and nobody, but nobody, can meet the Spore People.
Once a single line of experimentation pans out, Lorca disembarks all the Cloakers and Transporters ASAP, and suddenly the ship has a skeleton crew (when she seemed jam-packed, TOS style, when the prisoners were first marched through the corridors).
Timo Saloniemi
