Same here.
Jason Isaacs VS Sonequa. Who Should Have Been The Series Lead? (Spoilers)
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You know, I remember when NuBSG came out and all the disgruntled "fans" were screaming and frothing about how "OMG STARBUCK IS A WOMEN!! HOW DARE THEY!!!" and how that kind of damn bullshit went on for nearly the entire run of the series. I also remember thinking to myself, thank god I'm a star trek fan, because Trekkies would NEVER act that way towards women or POC.
I was wrong...
I was wrong...
Sadly, yes.
LOL, your placing of Lorca as more reprehensible than a mass murdering tyrant who served Burnham a murdered Kelpian for dinner tells me all I need to know about you as well. You seem to be OK with that, most likely because the mass murderer is a female POC, which is all that matters to the SJW crowd.
SJW is an apt description. It can signify, for example, a person who doesn't view a person's actions but rather just always automatically direct their blame towards straight white men. They claim to be fighting bigotry and prejudice, but could pretty much have their picture placed in the dictionary next to the definitions, because they judge everything based upon what ethnic group / orientation / etc. that someone is.
They are cultural Marxists, who divide society into false groupings of "oppressed" and "oppressors", and in their hate-filled world even a dirt poor white from the Appalachians is "priviledged" and should be punished for it.
Oh and BTW, Doctor Who's a girl now...
Indeed so, and before that "The Master" became "Missy". You probably think that it in some way disturbed me, because in the hate-filled world of a SJW, everything is weighed by race / sex / orientation.
I enjoy Dr. Who, and still enjoy Dr. Who. Unlike people like you, their gender or race doesn't matter to me. SJWs are the bigots and fascists trying to shut down free speech and divide society based upon race and sex, not me.
you use that word as if it were a bad thing.
also, cut the SJW crap, honestly. the usage of that term is like tattooing 'right-wing extremist nutjob' on your forehead, nobody will take you seriously
Could we pretty please not bring politics into this. I'm to the left of Bernie Sanders and I actually agree with Feron on many of his critiques of the show when he doesn't see everything through some weird ideological lens.
Finally depicting a same-sex relationship aside, I don't see anything particularly more "progressive" about this incarnation of Trek from earlier versions.
Finally depicting a same-sex relationship aside, I don't see anything particularly more "progressive" about this incarnation of Trek from earlier versions.
Look, this is the situation, I don't care if you originally watched episode one of TOS live and ever Trek episode thereafter. I don't care if you've attended every con, cruise and fan meet-up. I don't care if you have ever model and costume and comic book. YOU DO NOT OWN STAR TREK!! Period. As a women of color I deserve to see a lead in that series that looks like me, that I can identify with. One of the best moments watching the cast members show up to the Hollywood screening of Discovery, joined by former cast members, was Nichelle Nichols passing the torch to Sonequa Martin-Green and telling her "Treks yours now" the other was seeing Michelle Yeoh reaction to young Asian women cosplayed as her character. And those girls finally having a character they can identify with.
Representation fucking matters. Michael Burnham matters. And the fact that so many of you cannot see that...it's sad really.
Representation fucking matters. Michael Burnham matters. And the fact that so many of you cannot see that...it's sad really.
I just really wish they ended up getting Rosario Dawson for the role as they originally intended.
Says the guy who just marginalized an entire group of people based on hyperbole and generalization.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
I just learned you have to use that word at least twice before it counts
Fucking.
Marxist is a bad thing. They have murdered more innocent people than all other political philosophies combined.
And when I see posters here stating "check your priviledge" or similar drivel here, it is like stamping 'Marxist useful idiot' on their foreheads.
That would be great with me. When people start calling me 'alt-right' and similar epithets it usually will goad me into responding. That, and statements implying that Marxism is not harmful.
And I agree with you that so far aside from the Stamets / Culber relationship (which I am completely cool with, BTW) that there has been very little truly progressive in this show. In fact, if the producers had self-identified as conservative to the viewing crowd, I am sure that a number of things would have been loudly protested.
A Pakistani guy portrays a character who is secretly an evil terrorist / spy inside?
The exaggerated features of the new Klingons?
There are a number of things that the makers of this show would have been denounced for if they hadn't put on their virtue-signal armor in advance.
go on, make me laugh, try to define it
Marx·ist
[ˈmärksəst]
NOUN
Marxists (plural noun)
- a supporter of the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
now try your own words
Also, in Discovery the Federation sentences people to hard labor - for life even - while only ten years later TOS tells us that that new technology and drug therapies made penal colonies unneeded.
Don't forget that Stamets got drafted as well - we've had no indication in the past - even during war (such as the Dominion War) that the Federation can draft civilians.
LOL, I have never claimed to "own" Star Trek.
I love Nichelle Nichols / Uhura. It was a shame that we didn't see her in the captain's chair. (There is one wonderful moment in Star Trek Online when we finally got to see here there, yay!)
And no, for a viewer of a TV show, you do not "deserve" anything. Neither do I. Your only real input is the same as I have. If they make shows that you don't enjoy, you can spend your money on other things. If they disenfranchise enough people, they will lose money and either change or be cancelled.
People should set aside their sense of entitlement. You can't force other people to be the way you want them to be. The most you can do in an ethical society is simply to support those things that you enjoy and boycott those that you hate.