Yep. The Mirror universe is rediculous, BUT if there is anything to the Infinite Worlds hypothesis, than Douglas Adam's conjecture that in an infinite universe anything might happen, like a planet of mattresses seems workable for fiction. Though I hope they get done with it an leave for another couple of decades.
Yeah, I liked "Mirror, Mirror" a ton, and liked "Crossover", but I felt the rest of DS9's MU episodes were not good at all, and despite their effort, I was not a fan of "In a Mirror, Darkly" either. Discovery's MU episodes are much better than any of the post-Mirror-Mirror-Crossover eps, but sticking the landing will be the deciding factor for me.
...and Stamets is still in a lab not a starship...
Do we know his lab is not in a starship? I don't remember the graphic well, but I assumed he was on the Emperor's flagship as it is the only other MU universe location we have seen outside of the rebel base and the ISS Shenzhou.
Complete and utter agreement. But I would go a step further. I would say that, if Lorca hadn't been MU-native, that I saw nothing wrong with his portrayal at all. Perhaps a case of Acute Stress Disorder but not PTSD. Nor did I think he did anything that anyone else in his chain wouldn't've likely done as well. Even, controversially, the destruction of the Buran. I've seen situations were our folks have been forced to call down iron on a friendly position to take out the bad-guys. Fallujah was like that. It's rough and it hurts but it happens. Some people here act as if that's the Devil's work but, frankly, they have no idea how war is actually fought and what one has to do to accomplish your objectives. Hell, I recall, way back when Discovery began, that one of the chief complaints about Lorca was that he yelled at Staments. Are you serious? THAT makes him a "fascist warmonger"?! Because he yells at an insubordinate lieutenant--the officer equivalent of an E-2/E-3!--and hurts his feelings! I cannot count how many times I've seen that happen and much, much "worse," to boot.
The viewing public has absolutely no comprehension of the profession of arms. And, so too, the writers. And so we get this. When the normal actions of a wartime commander are considered "fascist." That tells me more about the writers and the viewing public than it does about the characters.
I get what you are saying, but in the Trek universe, Starfleet is only a psuedo-millitary organization and it is supposed to (in TOS or at the latest TNG and later) respresent the best version of people dealing with the world. Which shoudl mean a universe where commanders don't belittle and berate subordinates, where any even party fascist behavior doesn't exist. If Discovery is working toward TOS's depiction of evolved humanity, then it is reasonable to call out less than ideal Starfleet behaviors as less than standard for moving forward. This doesn't mean I agree with people who hate Lorca's behavior - it may be less than ideal, but seems to be reasonable given the circumstances and the not yet perfected humanity being depicted. If nothing else, Lorca is a clear example of what the 23rd century Federation is trying to move beyond.
Because, as others have pointed out, she really is not all that bright, when it all comes down to it. She makes a lot of mistakes that rookie wouldn't.
One of the things we had to do before going into an operational area on a mission was get rid of personal artefacts. Nothing to tie us to anything other than our name, rank, and service. Nothing that could, if we were captured, be used against us during an interrogation. Seems like something the writers could've done more work on, but...
In short, it was for drama. They wanted an easy way to get Burnham out of a sticky situation. It would've been more interesting, to me at least, if she had to talk her way through and convince the Emperor of her bona fides...
Burnham didn't need the artifact, that was a convinient visual for Georgiou and the audience. Burnham has the same signature and would have been her own proof.
...proto-utopian-Stepford-wives group-think they will actually be advancing one of the most damaging social trends affecting Western society at the moment, IMHO...
I felt even worse after I saw this week's After Trek. The absolute hatred that some of the panel have for Lorca was pretty sad, IMHO...
I don't know what to say to your first bit: I hope you aren't arguing that Star Trek's postitive, humanistic (progressive?) bent is a bad thing?
Second part: I didn't pay tons of attention, but I don't remember any of the panel displaying absolute hatred of Lorca. What did I miss?
...I had hoped Mirror Lorca would be a litte bit more three dimensional character - like, say, a human resistance fighter, fighting against an oppressive regime, with a "ends-justify-the-means"-attitude toward the prime universe. Instead of the clichéd "promotion by killing the superiour"-motive for MU characters...
so far we only have the Emperor's self-serving explanation describing Lorca, we don't know his real feelings and intent. I think our fears that he will be a stock MU character are probably correct, but I can always hold out hope - at least for 3 more episodes.
