Mirror Stamets wakes up and says 'He did it' there was no body swap
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"
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Exactly this, it was an editing thing primarily.
Exactly. At first I thought it was our Stamets in his counterpart's body because of the ominous music, but when he said that it was obvious both of them were in their own bodies. I think the darker tone was meant to signify that Mirror Stamets also woke up, which our Stamets hasn't foreseen, and he probably was up to no good.
Mirror Lorca was captain of the ISS Buran.
I can't get over how confusing this was. I took “He did it” to mean Cluber, not Stamets. After all he was the one who guided Stamets to finally waking up. And then, as @Gepard is saying, the slow reveal of the Mirror universe surroundings and the fact that they cut directly from Stamets in the Mycelial Network to Mirror Stamets.
Now I understand how those people felt, who were confused by the fading crewmen back in episode three.
Now I understand how those people felt, who were confused by the fading crewmen back in episode three.
Yeah, I also thought there was a switch, with RU Stamets popping into MU Stamets' body and running out of the room. The pan to the right showing the imperial insignia logo and ISS Charon schematic added to that inference. If this many people were confused about it, then that's really bad editing, IMO, regarding the showrunners' intentions for that scene.I can't get over how confusing this was. I took “He did it” to mean Cluber, not Stamets. After all he was the one who guided Stamets to finally waking up. And then, as @Gepard is saying, the slow reveal of the Mirror universe surroundings and the fact that they cut directly from Stamets in the Mycelial Network to Mirror Stamets.
Now I understand how those people felt, who were confused by the fading crewmen back in episode three.
Now I understand how those people felt, who were confused by the fading crewmen back in episode three.
I don't even remember that. Fading crewman?
It was the scene of Burnham working in engineering. To show the passage of time they did a cross-dissolve where some characters in the background faded away. Apparently some people got confused by that editing convention and thought crewmen were randomly disappearing on the Discovery.
Then again given all the weird mysteries episode 3 tried to set up I guess it's not so strange.
This is the assumption in David Mack's Mirror Mirror' to Undiscovered Country-era set Shadows of Empire and his often madcap brilliant Rise Like Lions (which culminated Pocket's series of mirror stories by being set after the DS9 Relaunch's reintroduction to the mirrorverse and a series of novellas from across the two centuries until 2376/7, when the DS9 books are roughly set). The consequences of his positive mirrorverse are seen in his own Disavowed, but most succinctly after meeting Kirk Spock begins to move to change the empire to a commonwealth of species, but has to both break the empire and set in motion a plan for a change to better government. Both Shadows and Rise are wonderfully utopian texts, even if so much in them is very grim and dystopian.
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While it's probably not a good idea to start quoting numbers, but the shuttle computer says the Charon is at a distance of 27 million kilometers, well above the previously known range of photon torpedoes which was in the 100 thousand kilometers range. Given that the shuttle computer says the Charon was at a classified location, they probably gave the rebel base a proper shelling, then immediately moved out of range and hid somewhere in the same star system (27 million kilometers is well within the same system, being 1/6th of the Earth-Sun distance). Georgiou probably didn't want the Shenzhou to find the flagship, to avoid any attempts at her life (or even attempts to rescue Burnham, but she was probably more worried about the former).
I was crazy enough to make a calculation, but 27 million kilometers translates to 91.5151 light seconds in interstellar distances, meaning the shuttle would need to travel a little over one and half a minute to travel that distance at the stated speed of Warp 1.
The uh-oh isn't the Terran Empire part, it's the ISS Charon part. Mirror Stamets a) appears to serve the emperor directly, b) knows that the spore drive that can pop you in and out of anywhere in the universe instantly actually works, because Prime Stamets being in the network told him, and c) knows that the ship carrying it is actually there, just ready to be hijacked.
Just goes to show how different people have different priorities when it comes to what they want from Star Trek. I personally couldn't give a warping fuck about whether something like the above is portrayed correctly. I mostly care about consistent characters and a plot that makes sense from an emotional and dramatic standpoint. And, well, the editing, it shouldn't confuse half your audience.
I still have yet to understand what was up with the the black badge crewmembers. They were shown once and never seen again. That has to be explained or I'm certain to go into a rage about it.
I still have yet to understand what was up with the the black badge crewmembers. They were shown once and never seen again. That has to be explained or I'm certain to go into a rage about it.
Given the Black Alert, I would speculate they could be engineers assigned to specific parts of the ship during jumps, or, given their vanishing act, specialist navigators...once the tardigrade solution is discovered, you don’t don’t need them anymore.
I think the goal was to infiltrate Starfleet and conquer them from within as a way of showing the other Houses that they were worthy successors to T’Kuvma
I still have yet to understand what was up with the the black badge crewmembers. They were shown once and never seen again. That has to be explained or I'm certain to go into a rage about it.
The one time we saw them I think they had weapons, so I took them to be elite security
I can't keep up with this thread, but here is what I saw:
Mirror Stamets is on Discovery. Our Stamets is on the Palace ship.
Lorca doesn't care which Burnham he has, he still wants her to be Empress. He takes over Georgieu's palace ship with his now freed compatriots(like Khan once did...or will do).
Ash Tyler: who cares.
The thesis of Discovery is fate and destiny vs freewill. Burnham represents free will, and choices(good) Lorca represents Destiny/fate(evil).
By good and evil, I don't mean I view it this way, but the depiction is such.
Ash, who's not really ash, will choose his own fate, and not the one laid out for him. He will do the good.
LRell, unless she is still being devious, has just done likewise
Mirror Stamets is on Discovery. Our Stamets is on the Palace ship.
Lorca doesn't care which Burnham he has, he still wants her to be Empress. He takes over Georgieu's palace ship with his now freed compatriots(like Khan once did...or will do).
Ash Tyler: who cares.
The thesis of Discovery is fate and destiny vs freewill. Burnham represents free will, and choices(good) Lorca represents Destiny/fate(evil).
By good and evil, I don't mean I view it this way, but the depiction is such.
Ash, who's not really ash, will choose his own fate, and not the one laid out for him. He will do the good.
LRell, unless she is still being devious, has just done likewise
Now I understand how those people felt, who were confused by the fading crewmen back in episode three.
Thanks! Guilty as charged!
