That was never Star Trek's mission statement. It doesn't even qualify as the Enterprise's mission statement. It's just a nice monologue from the opening credits.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"
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Or sapiophagia. But, yeah, that's not a bad idea. And, you would think that, having discovered intelligent life besides one's own species, a norm would develop among some--but not necessarily all--that eating other such sapients/sophonts would be taboo, at least.
A lot of interesting implications could spin out of that one. Some species might not comply or not see what the problem is, thus spawning many arguments over "philosophical imperialism" or something similar. Humans, themselves, may be conflicted about such things. Some, on the Right, might say "Of course you don't eat other intelligent species!" Others, on the Left, might say "But we shouldn't impose our mores and cultural norms on others!"
Fun stuff. Well, grim stuff but fun thinking about the 2nd and 3rd order effects of trying to establish a norm amongst multiple intelligent species.
Haters gotta hate. 'Cause, Lorca...
Yep. The Mirror universe is rediculous, BUT if there is anything to the Infinite Worlds hypothesis, than Douglas Adam's conjecture that in an infinite universe anything might happen, like a planet of mattresses seems workable for fiction. Though I hope they get done with it an leave for another couple of decades.
Hm you don't know if they dropped the link to Section31. Ha ha mabey Section31 in the MU sees the Terran empire as a threat and that could be reveald in next episodes. So Lorca could be still a Section31 agent. So agent Lorca kills the emporer an become the new emporer (to start a change for the better) an grant Discovery save exit to their own Univers. The producer of SD Aaron Harberts reveald that at the end of season 1 you will have the feeling of hope so this could be a senario.
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There is no redemption, in my estimation. There is only a group of writers trying very hard to justify something they have absolutely no understanding of to tell a muddled story they really didn't think out very well.
But, that's just me and I freely admit others think differently. My career in the military and my continued work as a civil servant, of necessity, colours, informs, and shapes my judgement. In my eyes, she is completely unredeemable. At the very most, should she ever have her sentence commuted, she might be worthy of a warrant, considering she seems to be good at her specialty of xeno-anthropology. But never the captain's chair. Never have anyone under her command other than other specialists or lesser-ranked warrant officers. She is fatally flawed and I lay that entirely on the heads of a writers group who appear to have absolutely no understanding of how chains of command, esprit d'corps, or military (or, if you insist, quasi-military) structures actually work.
The emperor doesn't seem to have heard of a Dash drive, and Stamets is still in a lab not a starship, so I'd be surprised if the Terrans have the technology.
I'm not convinced it was ever 'hinted at'. The whole thing came from fans reading into the Discovery's registry number and the general darker tone - the idea that a super secret Starfleet organisation would label their ships and wear black badges is really pretty silly. I can't imagine that was ever the plan.
For what it's worth I thought body swapping had gone on, in fact it didn't leave me in any doubt at all - if i hadn't read the comments here and it turned out they hadn't body swapped, I'd have been like "wtf?! Continuity, guys!"
The use of 'grooming' was significant - and we are to judge by modern standards, it is damning (unless of course Georgiou misread her daughter's elopement?). But it also reminds me of court culture in the past - I was rather reminded of The Lion in Winter, and Henry II's reputed relationship with his mistress Alais, whom he's known since she was sent to England to be bethrothed to his son Richard. The opening scene sees them in fields, talking on this:
Later on:
It is very disturbing to modern eyes, although a wonderful brilliant play & the Peter O'Toole + Katharine Hepburn film is grand.
Your opinion also means nothing and it is in the minority. Thanks for sharing your views.
A similar thing which was never addressed in Star Trek is with the advent of replicators, you would think a lot more humans would look at consuming the flesh of animals as being barbaric, since it would literally no longer be required. But aside from Chakotay, I don't think any humans are canonically vegetarians in the Trekverse.
Truer words have never been spoken.
And, it's just too obvious to say that Lorca is just evil and he's not up to something more complicated that it seems on its face. To that end, I'm giving favorable odds Burnham is going to find herself in the middle of the conflict between Georgiou and Lorca, it will "get complicated," and she'll be forced to choose between them. I'm also giving favorable odds that it ends with her killing one of them, and I'm betting that will be Georgiou.
Yes because Lorca is a Section31 agent from the MU who sees the Terran empire as a threat for humanity and want to change it for the better to become the emporer him self (desperate times need desperate measures)
Yeah, but it wasn't DS9's mission either. They were at a crossroads, so while they did see new life and new civilizations, that life generally came to them. Their mission was prep Bajor for induction and hold down that corner of (future) Federation space.
I will rewatch it, but I didn't see any disorientation.
The close up of the logo could be used to indicate that they unknowingly switched, or it could be to center the audience so that we know where MU Stamets is, since we hadn't seen him or his lab before in the MU.
I wouldn't say (without a confirming rewatch) that it was dismissive. If he was "at peace" with it due to the discussion with Culber in the mycelial network, then he might have more pressing issues to deal with (the dying spores, getting home) and would leave personal issues for later, especially having been comatose for a long time.
Agreed.
I think the fans were the only ones reading in Section 31 hints where there were none. NCC-1031 is arguably because Fuller loves Halloween. Black badges openly declaring who belongs to section 31 doesn't seem like a Section 31 method to me. Etc, etc.
I think these characterizations are the most surface-level generalizations one can imagine for these characters. They may have been idealistic utopians, but there is much greater depth to them than you are allowing for here. It's a little insulting to these beloved characters.
I think this is one drawback of the streaming service. Without the minimum required 42 mintues per episode, TNG and DS9 (and maybe even Voyager) would have missed out on the little character moments, often called "Pillar filler" that Michael Pillar created to get short episodes up to the minimum. Often these were little character moments, because they were easiest to film and integrate into the full episode because they didn't have to be critical plot elements. I could use a few more "Pillar filler" moments in Discovery's shorter episodes (or in all its episodes why not).
As for PU Lorca being dead, yeah, there isn't always a 1:1 correspondence, but like Ted Sullivan said on last week's "After Trek", without a body you can't be sure, and the writers don't want to limit future writers in being able to bring someone back if they need to - hence you can't be sure he is dead.
The showrunners clarified that Boyer's objection to Lorca saying "god" was not an overall ban on religious words in Discovery, but instead because Lorca character in particular would not use the word (either because of his character in general, or because of his MU origin status we don't know).
The ISS Discovery, as far as we know, isn't itself classified. Some of its work may be (provided it has a spore drive), but it doesn't seem to have anything directly to do with working on or knowing of the ability to cross over into parallel universes. Also, since the "rebels" are made up of former members (at least the Vulcans or half-Vulcans seem like they can be full citizens of the Empire given Spock's status on the ISS Enterprise) or slaves of the Empire, it is reasonable some of them had access to ships/personnel files when they rebelled. Maybe even someone like MU Lorca.
Yeah, but we don't know when Stamets (either MU or Prime) started work on the Spore drive/spores/Discovery. Based on episode 3, the Discovery is brand new when PU Burnham arrives on it, so it could all have been spun up after the start of the Klingon War, and if so, then so too could MU Stamets work have really started after the war (i.e., gone from academic thought puzzles to real world). And we know that the Buran happened early on in the war (I forget the exact timing). So MU Lorca might have transitioned over to the Prime Universe before MU Stamets and the spore tech was even a thing - plus Stamets isn't on the ISS Discovery, so they are even more separate in the MU.
Cut that out, if you don't agree, then either disagree politely, or ignore the comment.
Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. It's five year mission to ferry diplomats, to check up on colonies and scientific expeditions, to defend the Federation and occasionally go where no man has gone before.
He said 'He did it!"
That was never hinted at.
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Here are my thoughts.
Stamets has been doing sport research in the MU. He works with Lorca and there is something Lorca wants to do where the sport ship would be perfect for... maybe get into a heavily defended planet where they cannot go through the front door due to defenses. Anyway, so Stamets theorizes a spore drive could be possible but knows they cannot make one in the MU without the emperor geting her hands on it. So he comes up with a plan where he thinks he can enter the network and possibly send one person to the PU where hopefully the other stamets can actually make the spore ship. So he sends Lorca back and that is what puts MU Stamets into his coma where he is lost in the network due to the power needed to send somebody to PU.
So Lorca get to the PU, gathers Stamets and Michael and is able to successfully get a working spore drive ship. The 133 jumps was never about the cloak but always about "filling in the gaps" in order to get home (MU Stamets told him what was needed)... and back to the MU they go.
So Stamets comment at the end of last night of "He did it" was about Lorca/PU Stamets being able to successfully make the spore drive technology actually work which was the plan all along.
Next week we will find out IMO what it is that LOrca has in mind where he needed a spore drive ship so badly. I don't think it is just to have a better ship. I think he has a specific mission or missions in mind....maybe being able to jump right to Earth or to where the Defiant is or something like that.
I am so not happy right now.
Don't get me wrong, it's clever how the long con all ties together, from Tilly to Burnham and everyone else, but I fucking hate it. I loved Lorca, he was my favourite character by far. He was damaged, he was an asshole, but he was great. And now he is how he is because he's an evil mirror duplicate.
I'm pretty fucked up. I loved that fucked up, damaged people could prosper in this version of Trek's universe. I loved that there were shades of grey. I hate that the shades of grey I loved were only there because he was an evil mirror duplicate and only pure, virtuous and well adjusted people can be in the happy joyous Starfleet.
Fucking pissed off.
Don't get me wrong, it's clever how the long con all ties together, from Tilly to Burnham and everyone else, but I fucking hate it. I loved Lorca, he was my favourite character by far. He was damaged, he was an asshole, but he was great. And now he is how he is because he's an evil mirror duplicate.
I'm pretty fucked up. I loved that fucked up, damaged people could prosper in this version of Trek's universe. I loved that there were shades of grey. I hate that the shades of grey I loved were only there because he was an evil mirror duplicate and only pure, virtuous and well adjusted people can be in the happy joyous Starfleet.
Fucking pissed off.
He still prospered as a Starfleet Captain despite who he actually was.
They have to solve the problem/moment that Lorca came in the orignal univers. Basicly they have to go back to their own univers before Lorca arrives an possible before the ship of Lorca was destroyd which will change the time line (for the better or the worse). Atleast Lorca will remain than a reliable captain and Burnman will not be in the situation she is in (with her current knoledge). As Aaron Harberts reveald after the first season their will be a positive feeling of hope.
