Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"
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The motto is universal. Just change one word and it could work for Discovery too:
Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Discovery. Its continuing mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.
Not really. I said I enjoy Discovery and I do. At the same time, I can still wish that parts of the show were different. There was a lot of good about Old Trek too. Not all of it needs to be rejected.
I must have missed hearing it in DS9 and Discovery. They did have Zephram say it at the beginning of ENT so they did have it.
Ok I'm just going to keep on putting up theories and then I can say "told you so" if like 1 out of 100 sticks.
What if MU Lorca and Burnham come out victorious and return to the PU. Out of respect for Lorca Burnham hides his origin. And out of respect for Burnham Lorca lies and tells star fleet he has rescued Burnham from the MU and the person that mutinied was in fact her MU counterpart. Sets up next season Burnham back as commander and resolves that there then never was a star fleet mutiny.
psst....burhnam don't tell your brother it was really you the whole time.
What if MU Lorca and Burnham come out victorious and return to the PU. Out of respect for Lorca Burnham hides his origin. And out of respect for Burnham Lorca lies and tells star fleet he has rescued Burnham from the MU and the person that mutinied was in fact her MU counterpart. Sets up next season Burnham back as commander and resolves that there then never was a star fleet mutiny.
psst....burhnam don't tell your brother it was really you the whole time.
Really! Imagine that!
Characters evolving beyond their initial origin stories to actually DEVELOP over time? Can't have that!
If MU Lorca wins, why would he give up being emperor of the Terran Empire just to be a random Starfleet captain in the PU?
We do have to find out what Captain Killy's been up to in the Prime Universe and clean up whatever mess she's made.
I'd guess we get one ep dealing with Lorca vs Georgieu, one dealing with Mirror Stamets and the damage he's caused to the mycelial network, and one cleaning up after Killy.
What if he gets thrown back to PU with no manner which to return to MU
I think the spore drive jump back to PU will be its last!
Broadcast tv shows are typically around 42 minutes.
The length of Discovery episodes have been: 42, 38, 47, 49, 47, 44, 47, 40, 47, 48, 49, and 37.
So 8 of the 12 episodes have been longer than what they would have to be to be on broadcast television, and 4 have been shorter.
My point is that the idea of boldly exploring the unknown is not unique to a particular ship. There is nothing that says that only ships with the name Enterprise are allowed to have that motto. And that motto of exploration would certainly be very appropriate for a ship literally named Discovery.
You're reading a lot more into the show than is actually there - at least yet.
Here's an exercise for you. For each of the six main cast members of the Discovery, tell me five things about them off the top of your head which don't relate to the plot.
You might be able to do it for one or two of them, but I'm guessing not all. The reason is very little has been done to establish the characters exist yet as anything separate from devices to move along the plot.
Discovery is a mushroom science vessel, its only mission is aid in winning the war against the Klingons. Its not there to explore strange new worlds or seek out new life or any of the above.
He didn't cure his eye to see the destruction. He used that spray they've shown him use previously that temporarily help his eyes. But yeah, they weren't damaged - just a physiological difference between the PU and MU.
Kind of hard to do exploration in the middle of a war. Defiant was not out there discovering much during the Dominion War.
I didn't take it as either being comfortable in their locations so much as disoriented and unaware of where they were.
I too heard the Stamets aboard the MU flagship mutter "I did it!" right after he awoke, but in the context of the scene this is immediately after Culber tells Prime!Stamets that all he has to do to return to his body is open his eyes. Cue close-up of MU!Stamets opening his eyes, saying "I did it!," and stumbling out of bed before the camera tracks sideways to hold on a Sickbay monitor showing the Terran Empire logo, center frame. If that's not cincimatic language for "oh shit Stamets is in the wrong body. Dun dun dun." I don't know what is.
The Stamets aboard Discovery expressing concern about the mycelial garden is harder to explain if hes really MU!Stamets, but I did notice he brushed off Tilly informing him of Culber's death by saying "I know" in a dismissive tone. It's hard to believe Prime!Stamets would so casually dismiss his feelings for his partner not thirty seconds after saying goodbye forever (as far as he knows.)
Which is a cool trick, as light levels are extremely subjective: "there's an evil quality to the light here" can be poetic or physically accurate, but the audience can never tell those apart, because our eyes always adapt.
For all we know, ISS Enterprise in "Mirror, Mirror" was menacingly dark as well. Our eyes would simply be constitutionally incapable of telling.
Timo Saloniemi
No, the altered credit sequence shows the change goes back further.
Actually the MU Stamets woke up on the flagship and said "He did it!". The visualization (showing it fade from PU Stamets in quarters trying to open eyes to MU Stamets on bed opening eyes) made you think they switched places but what they said and how they acted appeared as though no switch occurred.
The Stamets in the lab clearly said "He did it" not "I did it." If you disagree, just go back and listen again.
Have they shown any other Mirror Universe character to have light aversion when they crossed over?
