I know someone in props had to consider giving her Green Destiny for her sword.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"
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That means nothing. He would say that about any member of the cast.
She's terrible on Discovery. I don't know if it's her fault or if it's the writing/directing, but she's embarrassing herself.
He's the Creator/Showrunner of Outlander.
I personally love Discovery though I wouldn't mind a different Star Trek series spinoff with Moore as head writer.
CBS has strongly implied they plan to have two Treks running concurrently eventually. I'm really hoping whoever does it takes a very different approach.
Looks like you stick to much in the past and what you comfortable with. SD is changed much for the better and i'am 58 went thru all star trek episodes this is one of the best (in my opinion). Can't wait till Section31 screw up a lot of things and make things more worse or interseting.
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Sure, like the time O'Brien died and was replaced by his own future version. That came up dozens of times. Or was brainwashed into thinking he'd spent 20 years in prison and got so traumatised he wanted to kill himself. That definitely got mentioned again. Oh, no, wait.
No it was not, mirror Earth was always a fascist hellhole
I didn't criticize it for having magic in it, I criticized it for having too much magic in it. There has to be some limitation and consistency within the fantasy world you're creating. Discovery has no sense of grounding.
She was stiff as hell (that's not normally associated with camp). Even so there's a difference between intentional camp and unintentional.
I could ask for a Star Trek fanbase that APPRECIATES flawed, compelling characters rather than casting about looking for reasons to be hyper critical all the time.
But that's just me.
I guess if the writers and actor is willing our Lorca could've escaped the Buran and be elsewhere.
Well, since you said that I like Tilly more
Both the Discovery and "Mirror, Mirror" switches involved both universes crossing over, so I would say there is a good chance PU Lorca is, or at least was, in the Mirror U.
Yeah, I too thought this at first, but both Stamets seemed very comfortable in their locations, so I don't think they actually switched. And if the other posters are correct in that they heard MU Stamets say "he did it", then that confirms it.
I think the Buran switch could have been initiated by the same phenomenon that caused the Enterprise-C to jump forward in "Yesterday's Enterprise": massive torpedo explosions in both universes both caused by Klingon weapons (MU: rebels; PU: war with Klingons).
I would caution against taking the rebel datacore at face value. They might not have it right at all. But I say "would caution" because so far the experience of Discovery is that records/data/rumor of stuff that happens offscreen has been pretty reliable so far. These writers don't seem to go much for unreliable narrators - outside of Lorca and Tyler's faked memories - expositional stuff it played pretty straight.
Point 1: I too would like them to keep a morally grey character, especially one as good as Lorca, and it may still happen somehow.
Point 2: I think the ISS Discovery does have the spore drive. It switched places with the USS Discovery afterall. Plus Stamets is on the flagship working on Spore tech; Straal is probably on the ISS Discovery working on the spore drive.
L'Rell could have been saying his eyes were damaged because 1) that is what is in Lorca's official file (since he has been using that as an excuse to cover his biological difference), and 2) she could have based it off of his reaction to lights in the room. There is nothing that says she actually did an intensive medical scan to verify his damaged eyes.
I think the ISS Buran and USS Buran switched places; if MU Lorca survived its destruction by the Klingons in the Prime universe, there is every reason to believe that PU Lorca survived destruction by Klingon rebels in the MU. Maybe he joined the rebels?
Yeah, it will be interesting down the road to find out what stuff changed behind the scenes. I am surprised there has been so much writer changeover - despite tons of changeover on TOS, TNG, and probably the other serieses, if I were a writer, I don't think you could pry me away from a Star Trek gig.
Also, one of the writers/producers mentioned on After Trek that they had originally intended on introducing the Mirror Universe early on, somewhere around episodes 3 or 4. I wonder how that would have worked out and what that would have meant for the Klingon War storyline (would Discovery have been sidelined for the whole war instead of just the last 1/4?) and Lorca (would he have been revealed to the audience as from the MU, but not known to the other characters as such? Did Isaacs have a hand in that change as he mentioned having negotiated a lot of input into his character when he signed on?).
I must say that since this is a serialized show, "trusting the writers" doesn't mean you have to wait 1-2 episodes to see the full truth of the matter. You have to give them at least till the end of the first season to get the story to where there is some finality to it. That is just how it is. That said, even the end of season 1 won't be the end of everything because the writers have already said there will be fallout explored in season 2. But I think it would be reasonable to conclude that the end of season 1 will at least come to a stable point in the Stamets/Culber/death/couple storyline (i.e., at that point they probably will be done with whether or not Culber is dead or can come back, etc.).
I think what constitutes world building can vary from person to person, so I disagree with you some that there hasn't been any. I think they have been more focused on character building for this season, and I like all of the (non-Klingon) characters.
As for what "should" have been in season 1 or season 2: I would like all Trek fans to try to keep in mind that these "shoulds", and others we all see posted everywhere, are just the individual fan preferences about the show. I think a lot of fandom in general (Star Wars, Marvel, etc. as well as Trek) is currently experiencing a big problem with fans "hating" new editions of their respective canons because it simply isn't what the individual fan had concocted in their own head beforehand. It all goes along with claims of "this isn't Star Trek" - fans get their own conceptions/head canon of what Star Trek is, and when what they are presented doesn't fit that preconception then suddenly everything is terrible, not-Trek, or a violation of everything Trek stands for. I don't mean to say that you, Donker, are guilty of this, I just mean to warn everyone: take the show as presented - is it good or bad on its own merits - don't just compare it to what you would prefer had happened.
Sure, it can be criticized that it hasn't done a lot of world building, but was that the goal of the show? Sure, the show hasn't shown the characters exhibiting the best qualities of the Federation all the time, but wasn't the writers' goal the exact opposite - showing the Federation moving toward demonstrating those ideals? Sorta like how Star Trek: Enterprise Vulcans didn't really display Vulcan-ness as it is largely known in later centuries - the Enterprise Vulcan Arc in season 4 addressed those issues explicitly.
Enterprise did show the First Contact scene from the mirror universe perspective but I don't think they said that that is when it diverged.
The palace was about two minutes away at warp one, which is lightspeed. Two lightminutes from Earth would put you at the orbit of Venus, or halfway to Mars. That's a bit far to be firing weapons -- I believe torpedoes are supposed to travel at warp one, and we've never seen a torp go more than about thirty seconds.
However, the shuttle appeared to be remote controlled on its approach to the palace, and when Burnham contacted Saru he had no idea where the palace was despite being in the same system, so apparently the Empire has a way of masking a ship's location on long range sensors without cloaking it to the naked eye. If that's true, the palace would've moved after firing to keep its location secret, and likely again after picking up the shuttle.
According to After Trek she helped create her Imperial Sword, cuz as they put it “Michelle Yeoh knows a thing or two about swords.”
I was more comparing it to once we find out Bashir is an augment. Or large portions of the arcs of Sisko and Odo. Or Garak for that matter.
O'Brien didn't really have an "arc" other than his family, which made him unusual for DS9, but he was constructed as the everyman, which limited what they could do.
My logic, where Michelle Yeoh is concerned, is unclear. They could make a show called Michelle Yeoh Watching The Weather Channel and I'd probably watch it.
I like the idea of the USS Buran with PU Lorca and his entire crew safe - coming in to rescue at key moment.
Agreed. Therefore a new mission statement is in order. I'll give it a shot...
"These are the voyages of the Starship Discovery. It's mission, to defeat mush mouthed hairless Klingons, to allow transformed human Klingon hybrids to infiltrate the only mushroom driven ship in the fleet, to awkwardly go where all Star Trek has gone before (MU that is)."
I could ask for a Star Trek fanbase that APPRECIATES flawed, compelling characters rather than casting about looking for reasons to be hyper critical all the time.
But that's just me.
I don't think Discovery's "characters" really qualify as such yet honestly. Their actions are mostly driven by the needs of the plot (whether in each individual episode or the season as a whole). To the extent it exists it has been widely inconsistent (things like Burnham first being written as a pesudo-Vulcan, and then having it dropped entirely).
If Season II gets the character development nailed down better, I'll be a lot happier. As it is, it just clears the better than VOY/ENT bar for me, but isn't great TV.
