Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)
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They're orange skinned...
I was about to ask since when is Kanye West an actor, but then I suppose a self-absorbed ruler of the universe is more or less how he acts in real life anyway.
With Dune being set 24,000+ or whatever years in the future, I used to assume that there will have been so much gene shuffling that everyone would be brown skinned and brown eyed. However, the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium model argues against my assumption provided selection, migration, mutation and other factors don't come into play significantly. However, I don't have any problem with having a very diverse cast for such a project provided they can actually act.
It's difficult to predict what ethnic groupings will look like that far into the future since those groupings are determined as much by environmental pressures as migratory patterns and heredity.
In terms of casting it seems logical for the Fremen to be dark, or at least brown skinned given their environment. The easy way to go would be to cast people of middle eastern or Indian heritage. I've said this before but I think a more interesting way to go would be to cast pacific islanders, just to deliberately circumvent expectations. Though, really speaking that only matters for the extras, Stilgar and a few supporting characters. Chani and Kynes are of mixed heritage so they can get away with casting someone of a different ethnicity.
The rest is fairly forgiving since most of the nobles are all related to each other to some degree, so they can get almost whomever they like so long as the Harkonnans are red haired and Leto and Shaddam have at least a passing resemblance.
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Not necessarily. Paul, even in the book, comes across as arrogant, a little bratty at first, and even later on, there was still a bit bragadocious.
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Not necessarily. Paul, even in the book, comes across as arrogant, a little bratty at first, and even later on, there was still a bit bragadocious.
Arrogant - well he is is a Duke's son and there's a degree of arrogance and aloofness that comes down the Atreides line (There's a section where Jessica wishes Paul's grandfather didn't live as long as he did because of his influence on Leto).
Don't know about bratty. He's not happy with the move from Caladan to Arrakis but I'm not sure anyone really is and frankly I'm not sure Halleck or Idaho would have put up with any brattiness and what there was would have been trained out of him by Jessica.
I'd be careful not to conflate arrogance with confidence. It's the difference between believing you're in the right and knowing it for an objective fact. Paul was more the latter, thanks mostly to his Bene Gesserit and Mentat training, but yes, also because he was the son of a Duke and raised for command.
Even in the first few scenes of the book he displays an almost detached, analytical demeanor, which can be mistaken for haughtiness, but really isn't.
Even in the first few scenes of the book he displays an almost detached, analytical demeanor, which can be mistaken for haughtiness, but really isn't.
I've been going through some stuff that's been in storage for a long time, and ran across a copy of The Poetry of Frank Herbert: Songs of Muad'Dib (edited by Brian Herbert). It's a collection of some of the bits of poetry and song lyrics scattered throughout the FH Dune novels, as well as some other poems unrelated to Dune.
Villeneuve is now in talks to take over Sony's Cleopatra remake. Supposedly this would come after Dune but with no notable movement on Dune for a year now and Cleo having been in development forever as well (and possibly with a star attached - I dunno if Jolie has jumped ship on it or is still starring?) We will see.
I wouldn't be surprised if Blade Runner's box office and RT score will play into things either.
*Note: I'm not a big fan of Villeneuve. I know he's the new it director but I find all of his films so far to have major flaws and zero re-watchability, so I'd be happy if he moved on, but I know others are excited for him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Blade Runner's box office and RT score will play into things either.
*Note: I'm not a big fan of Villeneuve. I know he's the new it director but I find all of his films so far to have major flaws and zero re-watchability, so I'd be happy if he moved on, but I know others are excited for him.
Meh. Both the previous Dune efforts had their good and bad points. Neither is perfect, but they're not horrible, either. I've rewatched both the Lynch movie and the miniseries (both of them) numerous times.
I'm just afraid that at this point any new movie would incorporate elements of KJA/BH's nuDune crap. That's something I would watch once out of curiosity, and then it would basically jumpstart the OH/nuDune fan wars all over again.
EDIT: Has anyone in this thread seen the first episode of Star Trek Discovery? There's a scene of the Captain and First Officer on a desert planet, and they're wearing native robes. For a moment I thought, "This would be a terrific shot for a Dune movie."
I'm just afraid that at this point any new movie would incorporate elements of KJA/BH's nuDune crap. That's something I would watch once out of curiosity, and then it would basically jumpstart the OH/nuDune fan wars all over again.
EDIT: Has anyone in this thread seen the first episode of Star Trek Discovery? There's a scene of the Captain and First Officer on a desert planet, and they're wearing native robes. For a moment I thought, "This would be a terrific shot for a Dune movie."
I'd say he's a very good director when it comes to framing a shot, he's helped some very good actors deliver some very compelling performances, produced some extremely visceral yet oddly restrained action sequences and his oeuvre certainly seems more on the cerebral side than that of most directors. By that token I'd say he could potentially be a good fit for the material. It all depends on the script though and of course what sort of pressures that may come from the studio and elsewhere.
I'd still prefer a well produced TV project, but if it's a movie or nothing then I think his hands are pretty good ones all things considered. I can certainly think of much worse ones.
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In a Vanity Fair article yesterday Villeneuve says he's still working on a script, it isn't greenlit yet, and he doesn't know if the studio likes it or not.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/denis-villeneuve-blade-runner-2049-dune/amp
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/denis-villeneuve-blade-runner-2049-dune/amp
Its been awhile since we heard anything about Dune. Villeneuve brought it up again in an interview with Complex and he stresses that he doesn't know if it will ever be made. He now states that he's hedging his bets by working on a few other films at the same time. Which is a different attitude from when he turned down the new Bond to keep working on it.
Otherwise, nothing new. Calls it an adult Star Wars.
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2018/01/denis-villeneuve-dune-remake-star-wars-movie
Otherwise, nothing new. Calls it an adult Star Wars.
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2018/01/denis-villeneuve-dune-remake-star-wars-movie
Like Star Wars didn't life anything from Dune in the first place...
I'm reading Dune now for the first time (yeah, yeah, I'm way behind, hush) and while I love Denis Villeneuve's work, and I think he'd do a generally great job of capturing the book's tone and atmosphere, I strongly agree with everyone who's suggested that the book would be best served as a TV series. From what I've read so far, the first book could easily fill ten episodes' worth of material.
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10 episodes easily. With a little extrapolation, world building and some character centric episodes, the first book could go to three seasons of 8-10 episodes.
What part of the phrase "anything of significance" confused you? Borrowing a term here and there for a throwaway reference isn't ripping anything off and what the hell does Aliens & Starship Troopers have to do with anything?
