obviously more than what we have seen so far. YMMD
Spoilers Visual continuity - Does Discovery strictly need to show past designs... at all?
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I don't mind a little bit of a redesign if it still stays faithful to it's source design. It's a delicate balance.
Star Trek is about a the crew of a spaceship and using a SF setting to comment on modern society. It's not about a specific style of costume, ship design or bit of minutia.
Desperate Hours is tie-in fiction and from sound of it suffers from fanboy thinking. I probably will read it based on that. I hate that stuff.
You seem pretty hung up on it, so if you don't get it I can't help you.I just don't get the Prime universe hangup honestly? You have to ditch so much from TOS that you are basically doing a reboot and lying to your fans to keep them from setting the internet on fire.
Who's lying? If they say its Prime it's Prime. It's their property they get to build what ever they want there. Fandom isn't a HOA.
There's affection and there's obsession. Fans overly concerned about uniforms and ship are in the latter category.
Its his standard Uniform porn stuff isn't it?
But people hung up on dates and character traits aren't?
That sounds fantastic. Really need to pick it up.
Depends on how they approach it. The dates and characterization are more important, IMO. Though dates can and should be mutable (I'm looking at you Eugenics Wars) Character trait evolved as the show and actor's performance does. For example I believe Spock never grinned or shouted "The Women!!!!" in The Cage because that runs counter to what Spock developed into. (But I will still joke about it).
I like Mack's writing style, but he is bad for this kinda stuff. I had to put down books because he just had to explain what uniform each female character had at all moments. And how it looked on them and how men liked it and how many times they had to pull it down and why they wore pants, even though regs did not allow it if they wore pants.
It was just too setting breaking for me.
I tend to think it is all important if one is doing a prequel. It doesn't mean it has to be an exact recreation, but should attempt to maintain the spirit of what came before.
Spock had an undercurrent of emotion throughout the series and movies, so I don't find a young, excitable version necessarily out of character (as we see in the Abrams films). What I do find out of character is a Spock who is seemingly in the loop on pretty much everything forgetting about widespread use of cloaking technology used just eight years prior while he was a member of Starfleet. Maybe he never saw them? But the idea that he would never serve with anyone either in the loop or that served in the war is pretty poor writing for something that is supposed to line up. And it isn't like it was from an episode everyone hated or wasn't an important plot point of the episode in question.
See, I love uniform descriptions. One of my favorite details to obsess over. So, right up my alley
You must be referring to the famous incident back in the 2000's, where an angry mob of fans lobbied, bullied, and stalked the producers of Star Trek demanding they make an episode explaining how Klingons changed in appearance, and the producers were so terrified, they caved in and immediately wrote out a two part story to silence the riot.
As I've said before, you take what works and build on that.
I don't think anyone here is clamoring for a perfect 1:1 recreation of TOS visuals ala Star Trek Continues or a fan film. I know i'm not. I think what some fans want is something more consistent and visually faithful with the era. I think BillJ said it best right here.
See, I love uniform descriptions. One of my favorite details to obsess over. So, right up my alley
Only Women, he makes sure every time a women in there to explain what uniform she ware and how many times she needs to adjust it.
I find the spirit is there.
I do as well to a certain degree. Discovery has gotten a lot right that is consistent with a Pre-TOS era. The props are faithful, When Lorca shows Burnham the spore drive and takes her to some TOS era locations. I thought those were faithful and really good. It's gotten a lot right.
I do hope we see the classic Gold, Blue and Red uniforms eventually. If they were like the ST09 and STID uniforms I'd be pretty happy with that.
They were used in the Cage which predates Discovery by two years.
the spirit is definately there
No, they were not. The Cage uniform are not the same as the TOS ones, go back and look. And we have new cage era uniforms now, while I think we may see those colors later, they will be new uniforms and not TOS style.
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