Are you under 30? I'm not been funny I'm just wondering.
is it hypocritical to believe in a strong welfare state but be against immigration?
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Are you under 30? I'm not been funny I'm just wondering.
The problem with welfare is if the government is to generous with it the people on it end up better off than those paying for it.
Like the UK pre-2010.
Like the UK pre-2010.
Its not the government's money, its taxpayers money. The small minority who abuse the system, are just that a small minority, don't believe everything the Daily Mail tells you. The largest recipients of 'welfare' are retired people getting the state pension.
Holy shit really?? I didn't know that.
1. I do not read the Daily Mail, the left love to throw that at anyone who disagrees with them, I said originally I am pro-immigration, why would I read that if I'm pro-immigration. No one with half a Brain reads the Daily Mail.
2. I'm curious to know how they find that out. 'Excuse me sir are you really looking for a job', 'Errrm..yes of course!'. No one is going to admit that they aren't.
Indeed, but they're protected from harm by any party as they're the only demographic that religiously votes.
Indeed. I was on benefits pre-2010 and in no way shape or form was I well off by any stretch of the imagination.
Whenever I come across somebody claiming that people in welfare have it too good, I like to ask them why they're still working then.
1. Self respect.
2. I'm not on min-wage so wouldn't be better off.
3. I have no kids or a disability, so I don't get to claim any of the higher stuff.
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And they are a growing demographic cos one day everyone is going to get old
. (People need to either make more babies or bring in more immigrants....guess which one is the least popular).
yeah and that job seekers allowance really makes you live life to the fullest!
I know people who work the system and I still don't want to live their life because I earn more than minimum wage, my standard of living is still higher than theirs.
And they are a growing demographic cos one day everyone is going to get old
Indeed, one of the many reasons I am pro-immigration.
No, but if you have kids and/or a disability you will be better off than you would be on min wage.
Same here, but it still boils my blood - I feel for the min-wage workers.
And for us working people unless one is independently wealthy or has at least two years supply of net wages saved, we are ALL one pay cheque away from poverty.
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Surely that's a case for better wages not worse benefits? Also if we need more children then surely people should be supported to have children. And why would you want to make those unable to work worse off, unless you're in favour of just letting them die?
Besides which, the way in which benefits claimants are better off is by rent and council tax benefit, which goes to the council and landlord. Better wages, lower rents, those are what are needed not demonising people for claiming benefits.
Besides which, the way in which benefits claimants are better off is by rent and council tax benefit, which goes to the council and landlord. Better wages, lower rents, those are what are needed not demonising people for claiming benefits.
So true, at the moment the system is crazy, the taxpayer is subsidising wealthy corporations low wages and private landlords soaring rents rather than have rent controls, build more homes and have a decent minimum living wage.
Get rid of the buy to let mortgage market!
I agree we desperately need rent control. I refuse to believe the people not working because they simple don't want to is as low as the left claim. Also yes people should be having kids but it only works if they have jobs and are paying NI, if they go on the dole at 18 because it's what mamma did that what they will do too. Cycle of deprivation and all that.
Places where there are cycles of deprivations have been ignored by the system for decades re former mill working towns. There is also a class/racial element as well, the industries that the traditional white working class used to do no longer exist and the new service industries, well there is a reason its mainly immigrants doing them.
Immigrants have always done the work that the indigenous Brits did not want to do. There was a reason for post WWII mass migration from the Commonwealth.
Studies have shown it's not true either. There are no families who haven't worked. Some may not have stable long term employment but that's a different matter.
There was also a recent piece on, not only, The Mail, The Sun, The Mirror, even the Guardian and Independent, having a small pool of 8-12 large families they do repeated stories on. Something in the region of 300-400 stories in recent years from a handful of people who have a lot of kids. Always sensationalising, always misquoting.
There was also a recent piece on, not only, The Mail, The Sun, The Mirror, even the Guardian and Independent, having a small pool of 8-12 large families they do repeated stories on. Something in the region of 300-400 stories in recent years from a handful of people who have a lot of kids. Always sensationalising, always misquoting.
I would have sympathy if Sunderland (which is where I am from) didn't vote to leave the EU despite it's one large employer being massively dependant on it, and other factories that supply only said mass employer being littered all around the city.
Poverty and inequality cause stupid decisions.
They have been convinced their bogey man is the Polish/Romanian guy hundreds of miles away in another city..say London. The irony is the places where the only known foreigner is on the T.V voted to leave the EU, the most diverse parts of the country did not.
