Spoilers Visual continuity - Does Discovery strictly need to show past designs... at all?

[CaptainMurdock]

The ships we see are based off the NX. I think most of use pegged the walker as Late 22nd century. She is an old ship at this point. The Gararin was a Shepard class, so she was still pretty close to the walker and NX in form. Almost an upside down walker really.

Yeah I was taking a look back at the Eaglemoss Discovery Federation ships coming out. There are a few I like. The Shepard class is my favorite. The smooth saucer looks good. The other two I like are the Hoover class which looks like a proto Miranda class and the Cardenas class which looks like a proto Constellation class.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Yeah I was taking a look back at the Eaglemoss Discovery Federation ships coming out. There are a few I like. The Shepard class is my favorite. The smooth saucer looks good. The other two I like are the Hoover class which looks like a proto Miranda class and the Cardenas class which looks like a proto Constellation class.

I like that you can see the designs shift more toward something connie like. If you notice none of them are double hulled. I think they are setting the connie up the be the first double hulled ship.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

I like that you can see the designs shift more toward something connie like. If you notice none of them are double hulled. I think they are setting the connie up the be the first double hulled ship.

Yes now that you mention it I do notice that. Good eye. That would be something interesting to explore. I never even thought of that.

 

[VashTyler]

There are fans who don't see any problem with, say, a Constitution-class vessel appearing just as it was in DS9's Tribble episode, or ENT's mirror episode, in Discovery. Either they see it as just a harmless homage, or something completely capable of fitting with modern aesthetics with a minor bit of suspension of disbelief (we aren't talking about something that was ever as crummy as Lost in Space here).

 

[VashTyler]

 

[Jesse1066]

If it does have to absolutely be changed. I hope it looks like this.

I like it except for the nacelles, which are essentially JJ style. The ones on the Defiant wireframe appear to be much better looking.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

I like it except for the nacelles, which are essentially JJ style. The ones on the Defiant wireframe appear to be much better looking.

I agree actually. That's the one thing I don't really like about that picture. Mainly the bussard domes being too dark and JJ like. I think beyond that the nacelles are okay but the bussard collectors are the wrong color.

 

[Jesse1066]

I agree actually. That's the one thing I don't really like about that picture. Mainly the bussard domes being too dark and JJ like. I think beyond that the nacelles are okay but the bussard collectors are the wrong color.

Not just that, but the rather bulbous "hoods" above/behind the bussards. I always thought it made the JJ nacelles look a bit phallic. Maybe it's just me. But it's one of the things I've never liked about that version of the Enterprise.

 

[fireproof78]

Its good man, it was not snarky, I really can not understand the mindset. I see the shape forms and its like a Model T put between a 1980 ford and a 2017 ford and go "see it was produced here!". The body shapes simply do not work as post NX. I am simply at a total lose as to how anyone can claim it fits.

Why? Because Starfleet never changes ship designs? Until I see the whole context of the story I am reluctant to say it "doesn't fit."

 

[Cake]

2018 - DSC: "Despite Yourself"

2017, the DSC battlecruiser:

I have a problem with changes, when they make something worse. I think this is the case here. They uglified the Constitution class. It is even worse with the Klingon ship. Not only does it look bad, it also looks completely generic. The old design was memorable. The new one is completely forgettable.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Why? Because Starfleet never changes ship designs? Until I see the whole context of the story I am reluctant to say it "doesn't fit."

Its not ship design, its base forms. I will say it can not fit, because it simply can't. Once more, line those ships up to any non trek fan and ask then which one is older and you will get the TOS ship every time because its forms and styling.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

Not just that, but the rather bulbous "hoods" above/behind the bussards. I always thought it made the JJ nacelles look a bit phallic. Maybe it's just me. But it's one of the things I've never liked about that version of the Enterprise.

I agree, I'm not a fan of the Nacelles on the Kelvin Enterprise. They are just too thick and bulky. It's hard to really tell from the image I posted but the Nacelles do look to be the right size, they just have that piece on the top that is similar to the Kelvin connie nacelle. It make think of a fake fingernail or something like that.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I am a long time RPG player, its something I have seen dozens of times across half a dozen or more game systems. Every new edition is "ruining" the game or setting. Each and every one. People get so invested in "their" version that they take offense if any change is made and get down right hostile and unwelcoming to anyone who happens to like the change.

FASA Trek is God! All others sucked!

 

[Mirror Mirror]

FASA Trek is God! All others sucked!

The current system by Modiphius is not bad, not played much of it however.

 

[XCV330]

I like that you can see the designs shift more toward something connie like. If you notice none of them are double hulled. I think they are setting the connie up the be the first double hulled ship.

Kelvin had a secondary hull, just was a bit lacking in the nacelle department. It should be older than most of the ships shown so far except possibly Shenzhou. I agree though, they do keep a design continuity going with NX01. I was hoping they might reference a Daedalus but I doubt thats ever going to happen.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

All y'all unimpressed by the ol' 1701 clearly haven't been to the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum and seen it up close.

What a stunner. Funny that the major point of contention over whether it looks up-to-date enough is all about 1970s-era greeblies and aztecing.

 

[Noname Given]

I am simply amazed at people who can not understand the TOS Ship can not fit in the current line up as is.

I can't understand people who think if you're doing a show SET in the TOS timeframe, somehow the TOS exterior designs are suddenly 'too old'. IF they set it in a period that's been shown, I understand why you WOULDN'T do the interior set design the same; but the ship exteriors are fine - always have been and always will be.

Hell, anything looks better then the art-deco disasterpiece that was the TNG Galaxy Class. That ship design was butt-ugly from its first shot. I doesn't scream 1980ies - it just screams 'ugly'.

The original TOS Connie design looked great on DS9 in 1991 - and looked great on ENT in 2005. It would look great on ST: D if the producers get their heads on straight - but given what they've shown of Klingon ships so far, I doubt we'll see anything close to the original Connie design - which is a shame since they want to claim it all takes place in the 'Prime' Universe in Pike's era where we know what a Starship/Constitution Class exterior should look like in that era.

 

[Tosk]

Its not ship design, its base forms. I will say it can not fit, because it simply can't. Once more, line those ships up to any non trek fan and ask then which one is older and you will get the TOS ship every time because its forms and styling.

And take out the 1701 (because it's reasonably iconic and even many non-fans can usually point it out) and every non-fan would have absolutely no idea what order anything goes in.

but given what they've shown of Klingon ships so far, I doubt we'll see anything close to the original Connie design

My biggest worry is just how ugly many of the DISCO ships are. I like a few, but some of them look like targ-ass.

 

[Tuskin38]

I doubt we'll see anything close to the original Connie design

The wireframe is pretty damn close to the original Connie.

 

[Longinus]

You can absolutely keep the shape of original Connie, and give it TMP or Kelvin Enterprise level surface details. That would be fine. What should not be done is to start to alter the shape like they did in Kelvinverse or with this DIS Defiant. All alterations should be just small details and surface work, so that when you squint it looks exactly the same as the original.